EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jul 17, 2012 0:40:29 GMT -6
I have to admit that I am not entirely clear on the whole "Italian" association thing, but I don't expect anyone to go into the long, sordid history of it for my benefit.  Our province was originally named "Mussolini" because our crazy ex-King Ben apparently 'thought it sounded nice.' Now, when you learn about Ben and people's views of him, he seemed to act in a very authoritarian manner, and, therefore, the de facto honoring of the most famous Mussolini, Benito Mussolini of the fascist Italian state, had a certain appreciation beyond just the sounds of the name. About 4 years ago, myself and some others in the province thought enough was enough- we are done honoring foreign dictators. Not wanting to remove ourselves completely from the past, we changed our name to Benito. Due to the decades long association of our province with All Things Italian, we think we have some amount of italianized Talossan culture. This is, of course, not true. We can't have a culture without people being involved. And we've never had people involved. So it's time to usher in an entirely new culture with a full name change, breaking away from our dictator-inspired Italian 'heritage' and embracing something a little more benign and a little more representative of our people and wishes for the future. Yes, but the new connection to Benedetto XVI would serve to exorcise the old connections and make them harmless. People are still going to see 'Ben' and think 1) Beninto Mussolini, 2) Crazy King Ben. It doesn't matter that -edetto is attached to the end. Plus, I think a lot of citizens would take offense at us honoring a both a foreign ruler and religious leader. |
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jul 17, 2012 12:24:20 GMT -6
Gut gesagt! Der Vorzeit (und es ist wirklich Altertum) ist egal, die Zukunft ist alles dass wichtig ist.
Well said! Antiquity (and it's really ancient history) matters not. The future is the only important thing.
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Post by Suischadna Margreta Blasiüs on Jul 17, 2012 14:10:40 GMT -6
Hear, Hear EM Vurinalt! Well said! Let's get more folks involved and get rid of evil connotations from evil dictators. (How many more times can I use "evil" in a sentence, i wonder?) Mr. Molinar: as a CeR Monarchist and Traditionalist, I would only take issue and say that antiquity *does* matter, but that we should not be honoring a bad dude with the name of our blessed province. |
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jul 17, 2012 21:05:05 GMT -6
Agreed Suischadna. |
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jul 19, 2012 1:07:12 GMT -6
Okay, trying to keep this die rolling:
Currently proposed names:
Cjovana (meaning 'Lynx', giving honor to Accademia dei Lincei)
Carica (meaning 'Oak Grove', named after our forest)
Cjartzara (meaning 'Oakland')
Cjarcosta (meaning 'Oak-river bank)
Benedetto (the full form of 'Benito', named after the Pope)
Lorenzo (named for various provincial connections)
Selva de Grenza (named for Edgewood, the historical name of our forest)
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Üc R. Tärfâ
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Post by Üc R. Tärfâ on Jul 19, 2012 1:11:39 GMT -6
Selva I think it's for Atatürk...
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jul 19, 2012 1:13:39 GMT -6
Yeah, it's possible. Cresti's post is a little ambiguous in that respect.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jul 19, 2012 20:51:18 GMT -6
No, Edgewood is Ataturk for sure.
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Aug 1, 2012 5:55:23 GMT -6
Where are we on this? What are the current thoughts and plans of action?
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Post by Eldsfäts Blasiüs on Aug 1, 2012 6:04:59 GMT -6
I'm still on board with Tesla, although I'm in the (solid) minority.
That said, I'm also strongly in favor of "anything but Benito and its derivatives".
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Aug 1, 2012 18:38:00 GMT -6
I like Cjartzara best after more consideration.
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Aug 1, 2012 19:14:35 GMT -6
Now that I'm officially the Senator of this wondrous province, I'm not sure its my place to voice any further opinion on this matter. ('Cause, basically, whatever y'all decide on will have to be fine with me.) Nonetheless, I must confess a fondness for Cjovana. Cjarcosta would be my second choice. Cjartzara is cool, but...I dunno....don't really like the "artzar" sound for some reason. I just...I dunno. Nevermind.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2012 20:13:15 GMT -6
Can we at least stick with the Italian theme?
We are led by a "Maestro" and a sweet looking Italian flag.
My suggestions
Asti
Mazzini
Garibaldi
Meucci
Personally, I like Garibaldi. It has the same sort of flow as Mussolini, but I think we can all agree that Mussolini was much more of a douche than Garibaldi.
Much unlike Mussolini, when Garialdi was capturing the crap out of Italy, instead of taking the power for himself, he handed it all over to the King to create a unified Italy.
Mussolini shouldn't be our legacy, but I really think we sold stick with the Italian stuff. We're already halfway there anyway, plus it is kind of fun having a distinct ethnic flavor, no?
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Post by Suischadna Margreta Blasiüs on Aug 1, 2012 20:46:26 GMT -6
Cjarcosta has my vote. Um, not that I have a vote. But I'll pretend that I do... ho hum.....! |
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Post by Vitxalmour Conductour on Aug 1, 2012 21:57:01 GMT -6
Cjarcosta has my vote. Um, not that I have a vote. But I'll pretend that I do... ho hum.....! I would assume (and if I'm wrong, will insist) that if any name changing is to be done, it would go to a general Benitian referendum, so you would have a vote. I also would like to restate that if any changing is to be done, I still prefer Linceo. Though Lorentzio, Cjovana, and Cjarcosta also sit well with me. |
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