Provincial Name Change Discussion

[Vitxalmour Conductour]

There was a group founded in 1847. They were mostly Italian, but counted a Greek, two Germans and a Dutchman amongst their ranks. They were theologians, chemists, mathematicians, physicians, playwrights, artists, physicist, astronomers, philosophers, missionaries, architects, printers and more. They operated as "a program of free experiment that was respectful of tradition yet unfettered by blind obedience to any authority." Incarnations of that group have cropped up since, though under Italy's fascist regime they were absorbed in to a larger body, only to reclaim independence after the fall of the fascists. They have included members such as: Federico Cesi, Giovanni Demisiani, Anastasio de Filiis, Johannes Van Heeck, Giambattista della Porta, Adam Elsheimer, Giovanni Faber, Galileo Galilei, Johann Schreck, Francesco Stelluti, Nicola Antonio Stigliola, Luca Valerio, Carlo Sini, Giusto Bellavitis, Domenico Comparetti, Benedetto Croce, Albert Einstein, Enrico Fermi, Giovanni Gentile, Theodor Mommsen, Antonio Pacinotti, Louis Pasteur, Olinto De Pretto, Augusto Righi, Wilhelm Roentgen, Ulrich von Wilamowitz-Moellendorff.

They are an international collection of like minded individuals (who sometimes disagree, but use that to enrich each other's work) with strong but not exclusively Italian roots, whose name has changed a few times over the years, who have survived long spans of inactivity, who have suffered at connections to fascists.

They are the Accademia dei Lincei, who survive today as The Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei.

"Academy of the Lynx-Eyed," named for the Lynx, "an animal whose sharp vision symbolizes the observational prowess required by science."

Easily Talossified to Cjovan (or Cjován, for the classically oriented), or left as Galileo appended his name, "Linceo"


Why honour one man's athletic achievements, when we could honour many people's great contributions to the world and a history that can be rhetorically shoehorned to sound similar to our Province's?

Wikipedia italiana articolo su Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei
English Wikipedia article on Accademia dei Lincei

[EM Vürinalt]

Jul 12, 2012 11:42:01 GMT -6 Vitxalmour Conductour said:

Why honour one man's athletic achievements, when we could honour many people's great contributions to the world and a history that can be rhetorically shoehorned to sound similar to our Province's?

This is a fantastic proposal. I love it.

I would make the noun feminine though, since most countries in romance languages are feminine, so something like Cjovana.

[Sir Tamorán dal Navâ]

tcho-VAH-nah, correct?

[Iason Bitxichë Taiwos]

"Cj" is apparently pronounced "kee"...maybe "kyo-vah-nah"?

[Eldsfäts Blasiüs]

As a Slovak-German, I don't have a dog in the fight about Benito's Italian heritage and I plead, once again, for Tesla, as he totally kicks butt.

Exhibit A:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_colorado_adjusted.jpg


Although I suppose, as a CeR party member, I need to be tolerant of a Lombardi derivative since he was a devout Catholic.

[Vitxalmour Conductour]

Jul 12, 2012 18:05:50 GMT -6 Eldsfäts Blasiüs said:

As a Slovak-German, I don't have a dog in the fight about Benito's Italian heritage and I plead, once again, for Tesla, as he totally kicks butt.

Exhibit A:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Tesla_colorado_adjusted.jpg


Although I suppose, as a CeR party member, I need to be tolerant of a Lombardi derivative since he was a devout Catholic.

If my twins had been boys, one would bear the middle name Tesla, so I'm with you there. I'm not personally vested in the Italian flavour either, but am amenable to the tradition (I personally lean Germanic.)

For your CeR comfort, one of the incarnations of the Accademia dei Lincei was actually founded by one of the Pope Piuses. (XIV? Not sure, were there that many? What is the plural of Pius?)

I butchered a lot of spelling, but spell check doesn't work on my phone, will clean it up later. [Done!, and it was Pius IX who refounded the Accademia in 1847.]

[EM Vürinalt]

We can't just ignore our history here though and create Our Own Fantasy Province.

I really like the Cjovana idea and would be willing to run with that. It still ties, in some way, to our history, but it also ushers in a new era at the same time, and it is sufficiently Talossan enough.

[Sir Tamorán dal Navâ]

I would think you would want to name the province after someone or something that has a connection to the province in some way. We named Fiôvâ because it's on a river. Just picking Great Italians from History isn't good enough, IMO. "I'm from Galvani!" "Why's it named that?" "Because... he's... um... a famous Italian!"

If it were me, I'd research the area and find some historical connexion and start from there. I think if you do that, you'll be more satisfied in the long run.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Like Adm. Asmourescu, I would urge you to be cautious in changing your province's name right again. But if you do change it, like Sir Tamorán says, be sure to look for a Talossan connection (and preferably a provincial one), not just a famous Italian.

One possibility you may wish to consider (similar to one suggested before, I think) is "Lorenzo." It has all kinds of layers of meaning. For one, it's a good Italian place name (usually as San Lorenzo). More importantly, the surname Renzi is derived from Lorenzo, and Dr. William Renzi happens to have been a University of Talossa (aka University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee) professor who was a noted authority in Italian history and military history. He also was actually a Talossan citizen who served for a time as U.S. ambassador to Talossa. He passed away in 1990, being one of three Talossan citizens known to have passed away. As an added bonus, Lorenzo is cognate with Lorentz, the surname of Talossa's first democratically-elected Prime Minister and the citizen with the longest current tenure (being the second Talossan citizen overall).

[Flip Molinar]

I like Lorezo for all its connections to the nation, but do others agree?

[Eðo Grischun]

... also Count Laurier (Lorentz) was sworn into office in Riverside (which is in Benito).

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Why use people to name territories?

[EM Vürinalt]

Jul 14, 2012 0:46:04 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

Why use people to name territories?

Like ^

I'd be more than willing to use geography too.

[Istefan Perþonest]

The big trouble there is that our geography—being along the river, possessing Riverside High School and Riverside Park — most strongly suggests the provincial name of, er, Fiova.

[EM Vürinalt]

Jul 15, 2012 12:06:02 GMT -6 Istefan Perþonest said:

The big trouble there is that our geography—being along the river, possessing Riverside High School and Riverside Park — most strongly suggests the provincial name of, er, Fiova.

Not necessarily. If you look at Milwaukee streetnames that are in our province, you also see a lot of things referring to forests, oak, or wood:

Oak Leaf Trail
Oakland Ave
Kennwood Blvd
Linnwood Ave

If you look at Talossan words for various geographical things in Benito:
Oak- cjar
Oak grove- carica
Forest/woods- selva
Tree- arvour
Leaf- föglha
Trail- sliet
River bank- costa

You could make compounds too: Cjarcosta, Selvacosta, etc.

On Google maps, the park that is on our province is the only heavily forested one in Talossa, so drawing something off of trees would make sense. Our park is on a river, so something relating to river banks could make sense too, especially since we had a canton that was called 'Riverside' for a long time.