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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 29, 2016 13:24:44 GMT -6
Hi all
Just wanted to put my name out there to run this now a bit overdue election, so if the powers that be want to indicate they agree, I'll get started
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 19, 2016 14:35:35 GMT -6
Has the disposition of the "leftover" seat between the Pros and Republicans been decided yet?
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 11, 2016 16:53:58 GMT -6
I should say I was making a general point about public renunciation. MT Patriz da Biondeu also sprang to my mind. A lot of it is about settling scores or blowing things up on the way out, and I don't think we should ennoble it.
As far as the d'Aurìbuérgs go, I dont know them, and I have no idea of their motivations. However I think there are two ways of quitting Talossa, the classy way and the other way. Perhaps by inadvertance, or not, they kind of went the other way. In any event they made the job of people trying to heal the divisions a bit harder, so it was not well done, if social peace was their wish.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 11, 2016 15:14:48 GMT -6
If one thinks something is wrong with Talossa, try to fix it, particularly if you are a Senator or a provincial Governor. That would be better that self-importantly, but incoherently, announcing one's renunication, while delberately or otherwise pressing on the faultline that you decry.
Or, the lesson for future suffering martyrs is this. Don't protest the drama by creating entirely predictable drama. If thats the best one can do, then perhaps Talossa is better off without your lrss than essential presence.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 10, 2016 13:45:13 GMT -6
Thanks Glüc!
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 10, 2016 12:46:18 GMT -6
Right now, if I understand, CCX is the Seneschal. If there isnt a decision before the end of the first clark, and CCX loses the vote, wouldn't we be back to early elections even before the clock runs out?
Might be good to try and get a consensus on this. Would be a shame if everybody ended up back in the Cort until April or something.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 10, 2016 12:00:36 GMT -6
The Organic Law says that the King hasto appoint a Seneschal "within one month of the end of elections. Is the "end of the elections" the last day of the election period, or is it from when the EC finishes its deliberations?
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 7, 2016 14:47:51 GMT -6
We should hold one! I nominate you. Haha Glüc da Dhi, be careful what you wish for ;-)
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Mar 4, 2016 12:34:18 GMT -6
Heh, in keeping with the massive popular success of this initiative, I had completely forgotten about this!
The winner, with a prudent if pesimmistic estimate of 120 voters is Breneir Itravilatx. Been a good election for him so far!
A No Prize is current (not) winging its way to Breneir. And once the new Cosa has adjusted itself, we can arrange to donate the 15 EUR raised to IFES. I'll match this to bring it up to 30, though.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 28, 2016 3:36:54 GMT -6
If youve missed two elections in a row then its reasonable to wonder if you're all that interested, I'd think. And from what I'm reading it doesnt seem difficult to reactivate citizenship lost in this way. Or you could miss two or three elections because you have been imprisoned for something bad. You strike out, but once you make it to the halfway house, you get back on-line and reactivate your citizenship. We don't have any way to say, "No thanks, you can't come back." That's what we need to fix. T I see your point, but I was thinking more of a general application. It may just not be good to have so many names appearing to be active for so long. If Talossa doesn't "take" with a new citizen then its not likely to after two years, for example. Separate issue from what to do about felons.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 27, 2016 11:19:42 GMT -6
If we are considering a change to.the minimum age, is there an argument for changing this too? Perhaps reducing the amount of time away (as in not voting or answering the census) to a year? The problem with specifying one year is that one election cycle could be enough to knock you out. If youve missed two elections in a row then its reasonable to wonder if you're all that interested, I'd think. And from what I'm reading it doesnt seem difficult to reactivate citizenship lost in this way.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 26, 2016 16:31:37 GMT -6
There is no such thing as a pardon for nonvoting (and, technically, no such thing as "strikes" for nonvoting) under current law. If you fail to vote or respond to a census for two years, you lose your citizenship, but you can reinstate your citizenship simply by contacting the SoS and letting him know you're back. If we are considering a change to.the minimum age, is there an argument for changing this too? Perhaps reducing the amount of time away (as in not voting or answering the census) to a year?
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 26, 2016 12:07:59 GMT -6
2. Disadvantage: It would make us into a club who're disabling a membership. 3. I dont know that I agree with this. We're not less of a country because we control immigration. Talossan citizenship is granted, its not an automatic right, and it can be lost. Talossa is a country, but it doesnt enjoy the coercive power that a truly sovereign state does. It can only admonish bad behaviour, remove civic rights as punishment, or banish. In the case of Iusti Canun it has already done the former, non-judicially, by stripping honours and awards. By blocking access to Witt (a private action as pointed out by Owen) and by having a voting system that makes it difficult, but not impossible, to participate in elections, it is in the process of doing the second, but not because of any offence in Talossan law but because of the sovereign state Canun resides him placed him in prison. We are considering the third option. We're more of a country by actually debating this and deciding on a course of action than if we just let it slide. A club by contrast would just bury it and pretend nothing has happened.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 26, 2016 7:00:56 GMT -6
Why would a country want to shun a citizen, to declare them persona non grata, to distance themselves from the citizen? Especially in a case where the government doesn't even know the details? I cannot imagine my government doing that, declaring that a citizen imprisoned in the US for, say, multiple cases of rape, is not one of us, is not welcome back, will be stripped of their citizenship, will not be tolerated on Swedish soil. That sounds really weird. Most countries don't take away citizenship because of international conventions: one cannot deprive a citizen of their nationality if it makes them an apatrid. Being stateless is not fun. Ask the Rohingiya. I think the risk for us is that we are not a sovereign state with control of a territory and a population. We have a claim on some land and a completely voluntary, transient population. Our lifeblood is our ability to attract immigration and anything that may damage that is not in our interest. While I don't associate myself with his thoughts on the American national character (as if pitchfork wielding mobs were a uniquely American phenomenon? Really?) Epic has a point about people, rightly or wrongly, not wanting to be associated with this sort of crime. For example, if someone moves to your town, you don't really have any say in that, but you can choose not to join the same voluntary organisation as he does.
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Post by Inxheneu Crova on Feb 26, 2016 1:40:32 GMT -6
Will all you MZs please leave! Or at least take off your shoes ;-) Some questions, note I may use the answers in ETT.
AD, leaving aside Canun, would your ex-post facto objections to Miestra's idea still apply to future cases like this?
Miestra, what kind of defence could the Public Defender offer to the charges? Im just concerned that if we had a trial-like procedure it might inadvertantly offer a platform for unsavoury rhetoric by the defendant, against his victim.
To His Majesty-if we had a list of countries where we judged that the courts were unfair or their system authoritarian, would there be a concern that that might put local Talossans at risk of being considered subversive by state authorities?
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