Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 19, 2012 17:38:17 GMT -6
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 19, 2012 16:28:12 GMT -6
Okay, let's see what people think of the new language.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 19, 2012 12:34:07 GMT -6
I have been scouring the laws in order to get acquainted with them and feel I might as well help with something productive while I'm at it. If it is so desired by the folks in charge, I would be happy to make detailed notes of any apparent contradictions I find and present them to the appropriate parties so that appropriate actions, if there be any actions deemed appropriate, could be taken. I would also volunteer to make notes of certain grammatical errors, such as the confounded double negative in Article V, Section 2 of the Organic Law. Finding contradictions would be useful. However, what it will mostly do is emphasize the need for this law, because of the requirement for the later law to "specify exactly the Law(s) . . . which it seeks to amend, change, or repeal." Maybe some such specifications were overlooked, but, mostly, what contradictions will show are cases where a later law is inorganic because the earlier law was never specified as being amended, changed, or repealed.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 19, 2012 3:18:36 GMT -6
Changing one's assignment should only be done under exceptional circumstances, right? I do not believe the statutes laws actually allow for changing of assignment outside an act of the Ziu (except in case of inhabitants of the metropolitan territory of Talossa changing their actual location or the Ziu changing the borders of the provinces on them, where it is not merely allowed but required by the OrgLaw). In actual practice a decade ago, if you changed your residence relative to the People to Provinces assignment areas, it was considered allowable but not required to adjust your province to match your new place of residence. But to be sure, I'd have to start poking around in the laws.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 17, 2012 14:27:05 GMT -6
Therefore, the above bills have, in my opinion, already been repealed by the Ziu, through an express repeal, whereby a statute specifically indicates that the former law shall be revoked and abrogated, or through an implied repeal, which arises when the later statute contains provisions that are so contrary or irreconcilable with those of the prior law that only one can remain in force. Talossa's Organic Law does not allow implied repeal. Article IX, Section 11 specifies, "If any bill seeks to amend, change, or repeal any Article of the Organic Law or any Law, the bill must specify exactly the Law(s) or Article(s), which it seeks to amend, change, or repeal." So when the later statute contains provisions that are so contrary or irreconcilable with those of the prior law that only one can remain in force, and the later statute has not done what the Organic Law says it must do in order to amend/change/repeal the prior law, the prior law remains unamended/unchanged/unrepealed; the later statute is only in force insofar as it does not contradict the prior law. This is, of course, the reverse of normal expectations created by the study of non-Talossan bodies of law. It is unfortunate that the Witt archives are lost; there was, if I am recalling correctly, an old Uppermost Cort case involving immigration law that turned specifically on this issue.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 23:43:30 GMT -6
I imagine to a certain extent views on whether the OrgLaw is too hard to amend depend on how one's place of residence does it. The OrgLaw procedure (a supermajority of each house of the legislature plus a referendum of the voters) is the method of amendment in 31 US states (though several have alternative procedures), and thus is likely to be seen as a perfectly ordinary level of entrenchment by Americans.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 18:42:46 GMT -6
How come you got a shield if your a lady? Conrats tho. He's a he, according to his profile. If he refers to his spouse as a husband, and he's in New York State as mentioned in his post, presumably he's taking advantage of the change to New York's marriage law that was made back in June of last year.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 18:39:28 GMT -6
I dont know if an amendment can also be a statutory law. Since the amendment won't likely affect any elections until February/March 2013, I don't see any particular need to try to join an act to the amendment. Surely a statute could be passed on its own in the next eleven months? At worst, the PM could PD something if we got to next year without anything being passed.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 17:12:22 GMT -6
The Open Ballot Amendment WHEREAS the Organic Law specifically declares that elections to the Cosa and Senäts cannot be secret, and WHEREAS it would seem to be a nice gesture to the Fiovans that they have the opportunity to convince Talossa to adopt a secret ballot during the next Cosa, now THEREFORE we, the Ziu, propose the following amendment to the Organic Law: 1. That Section 7 of Article IV is replaced by, "Voting is not secret, unless a three-fifths majority of each house of the Ziu enacts a statute declaring that it shall be secret. Such a statute may only be repealed by a new statute approved by a three-fifths majority of each house of the Ziu." 2. That Section 6 of Article VII is replaced by, "Voting is not secret, unless a three-fifths majority of each house of the Ziu enacts a statute declaring that it shall be secret. Such a statute may only be repealed by a new statute approved by a three-fifths majority of each house of the Ziu." Uréu q'estadra sa:Istefan Perþonest, MC CSPP
Since I said elsewhere I'd propose this, I guess this is as good a time as any to post it. I am very slightly in favor of the secret ballot myself, but could be convinced otherwise. I do grant it would make it harder for parties to post-hoc hand seats to supporters if who voted for which party was not public information.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 14:36:00 GMT -6
The cracker is to come up with those 20 questions. No problem! "What is your name?" "What is your quest?" "What is the capital of Assyria?"
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 13:25:21 GMT -6
Yes, I knew the dates as recoded on the roll and on Witt were going to be first date in either entity. I was merely not certain as to whether that was considered enough for the OrgLaw provision regarding the Senäts. I am not trying to cause trouble; I am trying to make sure we don't unexpectedly get bitten on the ass by trouble.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 1:50:51 GMT -6
If that's an evolutionary scale It's a cladogram. You can put the goat and lemur in either position relative to each other (since they're more closely related to each other than either is to the crow). For the great apes, it would look like this: /\ /..\ /..../\ /...../...\ /....../.....\ /......./......./\ /......./......../...\ /......../......../......\ /........./......../........\ /........../......../........./.\ /.........../......../........./....\ Orangutan__Gorilla_Human_Chimp_Bonobo a lemur is a primate and should thus be most advanced. No. Evolution isn't a ladder with humans at the top and everything else defined as "advanced" by how much it resembles humans. Evolution has no direction, it merely has adaptation.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 16, 2012 0:12:11 GMT -6
Hmm. Reading the OrgLaw, there's another potential pitfall about the Fiovan Senator:
"No Senator, even though elected or appointed to the Senäts, may actually vote his seat until he has been a citizen for one year, or served for six months as Secretary of State or Prime Minister, or received an order of knighthood from the King".
Now, obviously we can argue that people who used to be citizens of the Kingdom can count their previous time in the Kingdom toward that one year, but that only works for about half the Republic. There is the knighthood option for the others, but that would depend on the willingness of both the King and the Fiovan in question to use a knighthood. We can amend the provision, of course, but amendments take a referendum.
Thoughts?
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
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Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 15, 2012 21:46:25 GMT -6
I personally favor a secret ballot myself (now that we're in an era where neutral third-party websites are available to accurately do the counting and reporting who exercised the franchise, the sort of chicanery that used to be possible is no longer a factor). But as Hool points out, the Organic Law is clear on the matter of secrecy in Ziu elections. We need an amendment to the OrgLaw for secret ballots, not a hack that precipitates a crisis by calling out and daring the Uppermost Cort to throw out all of a hypothetical province's votes for Cosa and Senäts.
I can (and will) propose an amendment to at least make the secret ballot an option, but it couldn't be adopted until a referendum passed it . . . which means the next general election will have an open ballot, both Cosa and Senäts.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 15, 2012 14:50:25 GMT -6
Okay, S:reu Biançéu just contacted me to find out how to make this go forward. I assume what we do is have someone with administrator access to the boards set up his sub-board and then he starts posting stuff there, in which case I'm officially asking for that to be done.
If there's something else to it, somebody please tell me.
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