Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 15, 2012 13:47:06 GMT -6
It's hard when all most of us see of Talossa is pixels on Wittenberg. I expect most of these little scuffles would be moot once everyone gets to hear and see each other in-person with body-language and real-live voices. On the other hand, they might just be more likely to explode like Grubi-Amy-Ben.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 15, 2012 3:50:28 GMT -6
There are lots of ways to be Talossan without actively being involved as a sitting politician. I know that I myself am of at least two minds as to whether I really want to be a member of the Cosa, given my personal emotional equilibrium. I wish S:reu Lorentzescu the best.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 14, 2012 18:46:52 GMT -6
Great Lent? You mean the Orthodox have Lesser Lent, too? One Lent isn’t enough? They've got the Great Lent (with different timing relative to Easter than the West uses) before Easter, and the Winter Lent/Nativity Fast before Christmas (while Western churches have dropped the custom of fasting in the also-differently-timed Advent).
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 14, 2012 17:50:37 GMT -6
"I'm most interested to find out what will happen to the "progressives who opposed the Republic" bloc. Will they end up in the RUMP?" - Miestrâ Schivâ. Probably not, considering that the RUMP supports and is working towards reunison. Well, there's a niche. Maybe Kane Gruber could form a post-Reunison anti-Reunison party . . .
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 14, 2012 17:16:45 GMT -6
Surely we could have a by-election to fill the vacancy? I see no reason why we should sacrifice our democratic values at what would be such an early stage of our "return". The term "provincial election" presumably would be defined by the provincial constitution, and thus said constitution could indeed provide for a by-election to replace the appointee as quickly as the by-election could be arranged. EDIT: Indeed, if you're really concerned, you might elect a Senator-in-Waiting before becoming a province, with a provision requiring the provincial executive to appoint the Senator-in-Waiting to the vacancy.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 14, 2012 17:09:13 GMT -6
It seems to me that unless we change the OrgLaw, Fiova wouldn't have a Senator until the next election after its establishment — which might or might not be what we want. Article IV Section 3 certainly gets in the way of Fiova electing a Senator to a normal term, yes, and needs to be amended. However, Article V Section 1 says "There shall be one Senator from each Province", and Article XVII Section 13 says, "Notwithstanding this section, all provinces shall be guaranteed equal representation in the Senäts." The result is that when Fiova is made a province, there is immediately a vacant seat for the province in the Senäts. I think that this vacancy would be filled by an appointment by the executive of the province, to "sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term." Now, of course, that term is currently undefined . . . but presumably would get defined in the same next general election, with the passage of an appropriate amendment to the Organic Law.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 14, 2012 16:04:23 GMT -6
Consider this an official thumbs-up from the Regent for this syllabus (assuming that I'm supposed to officially approve that sort of thing; otherwise, consider it an unofficial thumbs-up).
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 13, 2012 23:02:21 GMT -6
Maybe it would be a good idea to just winnow these down to the ones that are actually in force, and not just listed there in error. If the Scribe of Abbavilla (or some other volunteer) wants to go read through the full list of Acts of the Ziu to see if any of these acts were repealed, and make judgments as to which were invalidated by the OrgLaw without the Cort explicitly saying so, they are welcome to make that effort. But I am not volunteering to do that labor when it's just as effective to get them off the list of acts-in-force by explicitly repealing them, with no need of extensive research.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 13, 2012 20:19:06 GMT -6
Are all of these bills categorised as "In-Force"? Yes, every single one listed is from the list of laws in force ( this list). It is, of course, possible that a number of them are so marked by error, but formal repeal will certainly eliminate any ambiguity about their correct status. Are there really any that anyone wants to preserve? If there are, I'll delete those from this bill.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 12, 2012 20:50:11 GMT -6
Ah, that is right, isn't it. It gives the date as 14 July, which correctly marks the end of the 15 June-14 July election.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 12, 2012 18:41:49 GMT -6
The next election (for the 44th Cosa) begins 15 July 2012 onto 14 August. I may be mistaken, but I thought the next scheduled election was June 15th - July 14th? (March is the 4th Clark, April the 5th, May the 6th, government dissolves, election starts June 15th?)
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 12, 2012 18:34:30 GMT -6
Okay, the steps that go after your 3 are: 4) The Ziu passes a statute making Fiôvâ a province, specifying its territory. (Compare 20RC31, 21RC32, and 21RC33). This cannot be done until Fiôvâ has an elected government and 10 citizens (Article XVII, Section 13), which means you'll best officially organize such government-in-waiting while you are in M-M (since you have to be assigned to an existing province if you're a citizen, and you have to be citizens for Fiôvâ to be formally created with you.) At this point, Fiôvâ is legally a province equal to all the others, entitled to a Senator and such. Then we have: 5) Amend the OrgLaw, Article IV, section 3 to add Fiôvâ to the official rotation list for Senators. Amend the People to Provinces Act so that Fiôvâ gets new immigrants assigned to it like other provinces do. Amend any similar minor bits of law that assume seven provinces or list provinces to adapt to Fiôvâ.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Fiovâ!
Mar 12, 2012 16:29:47 GMT -6
Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 12, 2012 16:29:47 GMT -6
I am glad to be here guys. This is great for Talossa especially since this will make senatorial races simpler with two provinces electing a senator at each GE instead of 2, 2, and 3 as is currently the case. Or will it wind up a still-off-kilter 2, 3, 3? Give the penguins a senator! 3-3-3!
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 12, 2012 15:03:39 GMT -6
Territories are indeed governed by an appointee of the King. However, people also can't legally be assigned to territories under the current OrgLaw (an amendment passed in 1998 as a bitter gesture against Penguinea, which had its origin in citizens assigned to Pengöpäts). So Fiôvâ will never be a territory like Pengöpäts is.
Instead, Fiôvâ will be created by the formation of a to-be-Fiôvân government by some of the residents of M-M, and then the Ziu directly making a province out of that to-be-government and the cantons which M-M and Maricopa have graciously authorized for that purpose.
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Istefan Perþonest
Cunstaval to Fiôvâ; Regent of the University of Talossa
Posts: 1,024
Talossan Since: 2-21-1998
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 11, 2012 17:04:03 GMT -6
I believe that is sufficient, Organically speaking; the OrgLaw requires the consent of the province, not a public vote of the province, and the laws of M-M have been adjusted to consent.
Maricopa's got its referendum going.
The next action would appear to be #3, and the responsibility of the Republic. The Republic may want to wait on the completion of the Maricopan referendum, of course, just to be sure.
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