Where are we on reunison?

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

This is my attempt at making sense of the details of what is going on.

This is not an official message of any sort. Purely my speculations and questions only...

1. Maritiimi-Maxhestic approval of the Perþonest Plan as outlined in personal.jargon-file.org/newtalmap3.png

Status: DONE via talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=maritiimimaxhestic&action=display&thread=5848&page=7 on 11 March 2012

2. Maricopa approval of the Perþonest Plan as outlined in personal.jargon-file.org/newtalmap3.png

Status: DONE-IN-ALL-BUT-NAME: talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=maricopa&thread=6201&page=1#63161

It will become official two days from now (14 March 2012).

3. Republic of Talossa approval of the Perþonest Plan as outlined in personal.jargon-file.org/newtalmap3.png

Status: NOT-YET-APPROVED-FORMALLY, but everything points to that being a done-deal by early-to-mid April 2012.

witt12.talossa.org/index.php?topic=4230.0

Currently, our 'Reunision Declaration' has been proposed officially and is in the seven-day amendment phase. Said amendment phase ends tomorrow, at which time it will go to final voting for seven days, ending 20 March, at which point it will go to a secret-ballot referendum lasting two weeks. (At least I believe it's two weeks…)

This brings the earliest our side could give final approval to the whole thing, including dissolving the Republic, as being early-to-mid April 2012, though I hope that Reunision could occur on 1 June 2012, but again, this is all hypothetical.

4. Kingdom of Talossa federal law/OrgLaw considerations

This is where I am a bit fuzzy.

Article XVIII, Section 5. Provinces are Cantons (or groups thereof) which are self-governing and autonomous. They are administered by constitutional governments elected democratically within the Province. Provincial borders may only be changed by the Ziu with the consent of the Province or Provinces in question.

As enumerated above, this is just-about-fulfilled.

I also cannot find the statutory delineations of the provinces in Kingdom law that would need changing. Nor does the Organic Law have anything (as far as I can tell) that needs to be amended in order to bring about the eighth province.

What precisely with the Kingdom needs to happen to make sure everything is ship-shape?

Also, when is the next Cosâ election? That could put a time-related spanner in the works or not.

In other words, what still needs to happen to make everything ship-shape for the Return?

GV

[Eðo Grischun]

The next election (for the 44th Cosa) begins 15 July 2012 onto 14 August.
Senate elections for Maritiimi-Maxhestic and Benito are to be held at the same time, however I imagine the new province will elect a senator here too?

kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Politics

[Istefan Perþonest]

Okay, the steps that go after your 3 are:

4) The Ziu passes a statute making Fiôvâ a province, specifying its territory. (Compare 20RC31, 21RC32, and 21RC33).

This cannot be done until Fiôvâ has an elected government and 10 citizens (Article XVII, Section 13), which means you'll best officially organize such government-in-waiting while you are in M-M (since you have to be assigned to an existing province if you're a citizen, and you have to be citizens for Fiôvâ to be formally created with you.)

At this point, Fiôvâ is legally a province equal to all the others, entitled to a Senator and such. Then we have:

5) Amend the OrgLaw, Article IV, section 3 to add Fiôvâ to the official rotation list for Senators. Amend the People to Provinces Act so that Fiôvâ gets new immigrants assigned to it like other provinces do. Amend any similar minor bits of law that assume seven provinces or list provinces to adapt to Fiôvâ.

[Istefan Perþonest]

Mar 12, 2012 18:01:36 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

The next election (for the 44th Cosa) begins 15 July 2012 onto 14 August.

I may be mistaken, but I thought the next scheduled election was June 15th - July 14th? (March is the 4th Clark, April the 5th, May the 6th, government dissolves, election starts June 15th?)

[Eðo Grischun]

Mar 12, 2012 18:41:49 GMT -6 Istefan Perþonest said:

Mar 12, 2012 18:01:36 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

The next election (for the 44th Cosa) begins 15 July 2012 onto 14 August.

I may be mistaken, but I thought the next scheduled election was June 15th - July 14th? (March is the 4th Clark, April the 5th, May the 6th, government dissolves, election starts June 15th?)

I agree with your math. I was quoting the Kingdom's webpage which may be wrong.

[Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h]

Mar 12, 2012 18:41:49 GMT -6 Istefan Perþonest said:

Mar 12, 2012 18:01:36 GMT -6 Eðo Grischun said:

The next election (for the 44th Cosa) begins 15 July 2012 onto 14 August.

I may be mistaken, but I thought the next scheduled election was June 15th - July 14th? (March is the 4th Clark, April the 5th, May the 6th, government dissolves, election starts June 15th?)

That's actually what I thought, too. Methinks the Kingdom's web page needs a look-through. Of course, the PM could declare a Month of Recess and make the webpage right again. ;-)

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

We've had a month off already, and I'm not sure what y'all are looking at, but here it has the right date.

[Istefan Perþonest]

Ah, that is right, isn't it. It gives the date as 14 July, which correctly marks the end of the 15 June-14 July election.

[Hooligan]

...aaaaaaaaannd you're welcome for the site not having been wrong after all.

Hooligan (whew!)

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Well, the final vote on the Reunision Declaration goes to the General Assembly. I have no doubt it will pass, and the subsequent referendum will be most useful for telling us exactly how many existing Republican citizens want to take part in the Reunision. I am severely hoping there will not be too many who consider themselves Republican before Talossan, but there's only one way to find out.

[Iustì Carlüs Canun]

Maricopa's thing has officially passed now.

[King John]

It seems to me that unless we change the OrgLaw, Fiova wouldn't have a Senator until the next election after its establishment — which might or might not be what we want. At that next election, we can reasonably consider a Province that's never had a Senator as one of the two "for whom the greatest amount of time has elapsed since the last regular election for the Senäts", but it might be clearer to revamp Article VI section 3 entirely. If we do that, I think the list of Provinces should be removed, and we should simply say that the Ziu may provide by law for Senate representation for any new Province and its position in the rota of Senate elections.

— John R

[Istefan Perþonest]

Mar 14, 2012 16:23:30 GMT -6 King John said:

It seems to me that unless we change the OrgLaw, Fiova wouldn't have a Senator until the next election after its establishment — which might or might not be what we want.

Article IV Section 3 certainly gets in the way of Fiova electing a Senator to a normal term, yes, and needs to be amended.

However, Article V Section 1 says "There shall be one Senator from each Province", and Article XVII Section 13 says, "Notwithstanding this section, all provinces shall be guaranteed equal representation in the Senäts."

The result is that when Fiova is made a province, there is immediately a vacant seat for the province in the Senäts. I think that this vacancy would be filled by an appointment by the executive of the province, to "sit until the next General Election or the next provincial election in that province, whichever is sooner, at which time the people of the province shall elect a Senator to serve the remainder of the term."

Now, of course, that term is currently undefined . . . but presumably would get defined in the same next general election, with the passage of an appropriate amendment to the Organic Law.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Surely we could have a by-election to fill the vacancy? I see no reason why we should sacrifice our democratic values at what would be such an early stage of our "return".

[King John]

I concur. S:reu Perþonest's analysis is better than mine.

— John R