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Post by Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. on Sept 2, 2014 20:10:57 GMT -6
The TWP would like to give notice that it is giving the leader of the ZRT authority to assign our seats as they see fit.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 2, 2014 20:30:29 GMT -6
I accept and honour this request.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 3, 2014 3:45:51 GMT -6
(click to enlarge) BTW, is there a good defence lawyer in the house? You'd rather be sued than retract that perhaps, I didn't "do things my way" and instead followed the law and couldn't do anything other than allow write-ins?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 3, 2014 4:00:32 GMT -6
Yes, MPF, because I know that fair comment without malice isn't libelous.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 3, 2014 5:10:45 GMT -6
Yes, MPF, because I know that fair comment without malice isn't libelous. Then, can you PLEASE tell me how YOU would have handled the Senate election, since you feel like you made a fair comment?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 3, 2014 14:53:04 GMT -6
Well, okay. Suppose you give me a reference to those parts of the election law which you say prevented you from instituting a drop-down ballot, or at least a ballot which would be different for each province.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 3, 2014 15:25:44 GMT -6
Well, okay. Suppose you give me a reference to those parts of the election law which you say prevented you from instituting a drop-down ballot, or at least a ballot which would be different for each province. First of all, all elections in Talossa are open and the voter can enter any value he wants. As such, I cannot put a drop-down with just the candidates, since they can also vote for a non-candidate. Second of all, it is also legal to enter a party name. But parties can be legally registered AFTER the election. As such, with the current law, I cannot just put a drop down of candidates with associated parties without a change of the law in one way or another ( I don't care which way, I do want drop-downs too). Third of all, (I am not sure if of all is proper English or not), the Ballot I am based on, made by Iusti, my predecessor, had ZERO drop-downs. And I am pretty sure that Mick didn't have drop-downs either. In fact, no one except me has ever made an online voting form. Accusing me to doing things my way when I didn't use a drop-down when in fact, all of the previous SoS (including me in 2001-2004) didn't use them is like saying: "You didn't put the name of the parties in Pink, doing things your way", or "You didn't include the OrgLaw as an attachment, doing things your way". None of the SoS EVER did those things, so saying I did things my way when I followed on their footsteps, is a baseless accusation of me "doing things my way". It's a trope that is beginning to REALLY get on my nerves, because I take a LOT of efforts of doing things like in the past, but with added simplicity (like the online form). I consulted people for the 46th Cosa, including Iusti, to make sure it was ok. You voted on it and found it ok. Fourth of all (ok, that just sound weird), the OrgLaw specifies that the Senate elections are done by the provinces, but can be done by the Chancery. The SoS of Fiova asked me for the 46th Cosa NOT to allow voting on the Senate for Fiova. I followed his instructions.
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Sept 3, 2014 16:13:42 GMT -6
Third of all, (I am not sure if of all is proper English or not), the Ballot I am based on, made by Iusti, my predecessor, had ZERO drop-downs. And I am pretty sure that Mick didn't have drop-downs either. Yep. The Ballot has never been anything but a fill-in-the-blank document, as far as I'm aware. Yet another testament to your awesomeness. I freely admit that your way is better than my way was. Just saying. The Database is an awesome tool, even if there are some bugs remaining. Yes. Yes, it does. Yes. Most provinces just find it easier to let the Chancery do it. I think (without looking it up) that the default is that the Chancery does it, but the province can decide, "Hey, we want to run it ourselves." It's just that Fiôvâ's the only one who does that as a matter of course. Not to say that some other province might not, though.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 3, 2014 17:15:53 GMT -6
Third of all, (I am not sure if of all is proper English or not), the Ballot I am based on, made by Iusti, my predecessor, had ZERO drop-downs. And I am pretty sure that Mick didn't have drop-downs either. Yep. The Ballot has never been anything but a fill-in-the-blank document, as far as I'm aware. And I do not want to denigrate your work, either yours or Mick's. I am sure you were both great SoS. My point is that I didn't do things MY way. I did it YOUR way. Which, in a way, was also ironically MY way since this is how I did it in 2001-2004, and since I was the first one to make (as far as I know, perhaps Ian did it before Daviu) a consolidated ballot (Daviu didn't, since most people voted on Witt or to Ben in person). But it everyone followed in my footstep afterwards (not saying they did exactly), we can't say I did it my own way. Thank you! And I am working really hard to fix all of them....
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Post by Trotxâ on Sept 3, 2014 21:05:53 GMT -6
Most provinces just find it easier to let the Chancery do it. I think (without looking it up) that the default is that the Chancery does it, but the province can decide, "Hey, we want to run it ourselves." It's just that Fiôvâ's the only one who does that as a matter of course. Not to say that some other province might not, though. Actually, we citizens of Vuode run our own process without help from the Chancery. Exhibit AT
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Sept 4, 2014 2:08:24 GMT -6
Most provinces just find it easier to let the Chancery do it. I think (without looking it up) that the default is that the Chancery does it, but the province can decide, "Hey, we want to run it ourselves." It's just that Fiôvâ's the only one who does that as a matter of course. Not to say that some other province might not, though. Actually, we citizens of Vuode run our own process without help from the Chancery. Exhibit AT I presume Sir Iusti was talking about Senatorial elections, because we don't have a provincial parliament to elect in Fiova because of direct democracy.
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Post by King John on Sept 4, 2014 10:23:43 GMT -6
At least one citizen, Cjara Brainerd, told me she had voted but hadn't gotten the confirmation email. I told her to try again, that there were occasional glitches and problems. Now I see her name on the list of those who didn't vote, so I presume her vote was lost somehow.
It worries me, wondering how many other people this kind of thing happened to, who didn't happen to mention it to me.
— John R
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Sept 4, 2014 10:42:52 GMT -6
I know of one other case of a citizen who claims to have voted but his vote wasnt counted and another vase of someone who had to forfeit his right to vote secretly because his PSC didnt work. Thankfully there is no indication of problems on such a scale that it would cast doubt on the most significant election results.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 4, 2014 11:41:03 GMT -6
At least one citizen, Cjara Brainerd, told me she had voted but hadn't gotten the confirmation email. I told her to try again, that there were occasional glitches and problems. Now I see her name on the list of those who didn't vote, so I presume her vote was lost somehow. It worries me, wondering how many other people this kind of thing happened to, who didn't happen to mention it to me. — John R I believe she is one of the 3 I had a problem with. I emailed her a few times to get her vote by email and she never replied.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 4, 2014 11:42:06 GMT -6
I know of one other case of a citizen who claims to have voted but his vote wasnt counted and another vase of someone who had to forfeit his right to vote secretly because his PSC didnt work. Thankfully there is no indication of problems on such a scale that it would cast doubt on the most significant election results. The list of options to vote DID include just replying to the email. A few did so. All of the email votes were counted.
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