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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2009 12:39:00 GMT -6
Tim is a member of the PP. No, Manus, King John, etc. etc. are not members of the ZPT nor have they voted ZPT (Fritz has, but I hardly see him as a member). I am calling anyone who uses the word "ragheads" to describe a group of people a bigot. That's the truth. Shall I flash back to your comments about the American Armed Services and how you feel about them... being as you know we're going so far back. It is pretty much evident who you applied the word bigot to, pretty much anybody who isn't PP. BTW, when that amendment came out, it was RDP, not PP. The PP only absorbed the RDP AFTER it was already voted on. So it actually doesn't count. Nice try though!
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jun 24, 2009 12:58:36 GMT -6
I am not at all surprised by the words of a few people participating in this thread, but I must point out, at this time, that I am totally surprised by the Senats Candidate, Xhorxh Asmour.
This is a man who used to be a gentle and respectful Talossan but he has turned into nothing more than a (insert your own choice of unchristian name here). Also a man that was the country's loudest advocate on pan-Talossan relations yet has pissed his core values away for something I do not fathom. A man that has become a power hungry, spiteful and pitiful creature. I urge Maricopians to think very carefuly before electing this man to your Senats seat.
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Ieremiac'h Ventrutx
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Jun 24, 2009 13:09:33 GMT -6
I somehow think they're entitled to call you whatever name they want. Especially when you lie about their record and purposely mislead the public. There is the rub, I didn't lie about him, as I have stated before, Owen made his own bed bragging and attacking others on their record (which the PP has yet to address). I set the record straight with his own service or lack thereof. I did it w/o calling him names. And the "ragheads" was quickly apologized for as PM I chose my words poorly. Unlike you when I hear the word "raghead" I don't think of the folks next door, I think of the terrorist who are killing UN/US Soldiers in Iraq ... As Seneschal I should never have used that word. A bigot as defined by Dictionary.com is "a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion." The name you called me does not fit the reality of the situation. You can sit back and call me names with the rest of the PP ... seems to be a common bond for you guys.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Jun 24, 2009 13:20:10 GMT -6
Actually, I think of my family. Yeah, it's kinda personal, like calling me a kike.
I'm sorry if that was you trying to call me earlier. The speaker on my phone is way messed up and I can't seem to talk to anyone!
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Ieremiac'h Ventrutx
Former Senator of Florencia ~ Citizen of Talossa
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Post by Ieremiac'h Ventrutx on Jun 24, 2009 13:42:24 GMT -6
Actually, I think of my family. Yeah, it's kinda personal, like calling me a kike. I'm sorry if that was you trying to call me earlier. The speaker on my phone is way messed up and I can't seem to talk to anyone! See and that is the reason I regret using that word... I am sorry that I offended you and your family.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Jun 24, 2009 13:59:27 GMT -6
Accepted
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2009 14:37:23 GMT -6
And the PP still ignores everything while throwing stones at others... Where is Owen's apology for calling JP a raging ass?
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Xhorxh Asmour
Talossan since 02-21-2003
Wot? Me, worry?
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Jun 24, 2009 20:04:58 GMT -6
I am not at all surprised by the words of a few people participating in this thread, but I must point out, at this time, that I am totally surprised by the Senats Candidate, Xhorxh Asmour. This is a man who used to be a gentle and respectful Talossan but he has turned into nothing more than a (insert your own choice of unchristian name here). Also a man that was the country's loudest advocate on pan-Talossan relations yet has pissed his core values away for something I do not fathom. A man that has become a power hungry, spiteful and pitiful creature. I urge Maricopians to think very carefuly before electing this man to your Senats seat. Poor Eddie! How pitiful YOU look! You've completely lost your mind, turned into a political orphan and, to top it all off, have joined the group of PP-backed mudslingers who are trying to soil my reputation and our respectable Seneschal's with a view to getting power. You're talking about me being power-hungry when you and your ex-party ex-president just kicked a member (Viteu Tochtviac'hteir) out without consulting with anyone and even said you were party leaders and would do as you liked. YOU were so power-hungry that you didn't give a s**t to what others were thinking or had to say. Look what happened: I left, JP left and almost everybody else left. I'm so sorry that you've now become a political zombie or vampire - roaming the streets of Talossa in despair looking for someone whose neck to bite. I'd like to add that I'm in a party that gives all its members total freedom to think and to vote, and all my old principles still hold good. Show me your true colors, Eddie. I know you're not that gray at all.
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Flip Molinar
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Post by Flip Molinar on Jun 24, 2009 21:33:17 GMT -6
I am not at all surprised by the words of a few people participating in this thread, but I must point out, at this time, that I am totally surprised by the Senats Candidate, Xhorxh Asmour. This is a man who used to be a gentle and respectful Talossan but he has turned into nothing more than a (insert your own choice of unchristian name here). Also a man that was the country's loudest advocate on pan-Talossan relations yet has pissed his core values away for something I do not fathom. A man that has become a power hungry, spiteful and pitiful creature. I urge Maricopians to think very carefuly before electing this man to your Senats seat. Poor Eddie! How pitiful YOU look! You've completely lost your mind, turned into a political orphan and, to top it all off, have joined the group of PP-backed mudslingers who are trying to soil my reputation and our respectable Seneschal's with a view to getting power. You're talking about me being power-hungry when you and your ex-party ex-president just kicked a member (Viteu Tochtviac'hteir) out without consulting with anyone and even said you were party leaders and would do as you liked. YOU were so power-hungry that you didn't give a s**t to what others were thinking or had to say. Look what happened: I left, JP left and almost everybody else left. I'm so sorry that you've now become a political zombie or vampire - roaming the streets of Talossa in despair looking for someone whose neck to bite. I'd like to add that I'm in a party that gives all its members total freedom to think and to vote, and all my old principles still hold good. Show me your true colors, Eddie. I know you're not that gray at all. You were never power hungry Xhorax. Not when you formed your own new party just because the CCCP broke up, just to get more face-time. You offered no substance, no reason to vote for you, other than a party to vote for if you hate everybody else. I wrote the CCCP manifesto and most of the party code when we were together there. So I don't know why you bring up power when all you were concerned about was being the head of two separate useless and now defunct parties. If you were not concerned about power, why then did you lead yet continue to be so inactive at the same time. Why have you never even created any substantive bills in your six years here? As far as Eovart is concerned, I can say that power is not even on his radar. He has been outspoken in his opinions, worked on multiple bills to be introduced in this upcoming term, and worked tirelessly to improve the nation he loves. There is no finer human being in Talossa, and I say that knowing many exceptional human beings are part of Talossa. So have you so little to contribute Xhorax that you must attack constantly those who you claim to value so much?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 24, 2009 22:00:00 GMT -6
S:reu Asmour, I am very surprised at your behavior.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jun 24, 2009 22:19:08 GMT -6
I am not sure how many times it is going to take to for some people to grasp this; I am not a member of the PP, never was. (and believe me, you are soiling your own reputation at the moment without the help from anybody else.)
We would do as we like? I would love for you to find the quote that you refer to because I just think your a po-faced liar now. Let me refresh your terribly poor memory on what I actually said; " Firstly, let me apologise for not including anybody else in the discussion. It did not cross my mind, and probably the same goes for Flip. We made a decision that we felt was important and time critical. I understand that people are now upset, for various reasons. The biggest most likely being that you all feel that we went over your heads on this. I make no excuses for that...because your right, we did. I apologise, both for myself and on behalf of Flip, for not including yourselves in the discussion. An open conversation should have taken place and we made the mistake not to do that. Again I am truly sorry for this. You are all valued highly to us, and your opinions do matter to us. We will endeavour that a repeat of this incident does not happen again."
Sounds like a power hungry man afterall, yes you were so correct.
and it is me that has completley lost my mind? LMAO, Get a grip man.
we shall see. My money would be bet on something else.
In addition, Can a board admin please investigate the recent postings of Xhorxh Asmour, as I am finding it hard to believe this is the same guy from about a month ago.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jun 25, 2009 5:53:17 GMT -6
As if "raging ass" (true description of someone who'd been acting ridiculously) is comparable to "raghead".
Months ago, I was challenged to walk the walk and not just talk the talk. You were right, I was resting on laurels and having been active behind the scenes. I said so at the time. So I followed your advice.
Attacking records? You mean, in response to being attacked on my record as MinImm (attacks categorically debunked), I noted that the ZPT could hardly talk? Or that I've critiqued the government for not accomplishing as much as it should have?
As for XA - a man who was pro-Republic and pro-reform of the monarchy to join a party that anti both those things is baffling. It's all about the fancy title. Also a man who promised to restrain the negative politics and keep it about the issue - and was baffled that I was furious and personally hurt when, inevitably, he broke that promise and joined in.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2009 6:28:04 GMT -6
I absolutely love it! So basically Owen, it is okay for me to now call you names because as long as it is less than "raghead" it is okay. I <3 this logic.
You have yet to walk any walk. Your idea of walking the walk is latching your hooks onto other people's work. You cannot handle people questioning your record when that is all you did a few months ago and viciously attacked JP and the RUMP. Hysterics. Pure Hysterics.
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Xhorxh Asmour
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Post by Xhorxh Asmour on Jun 25, 2009 7:05:33 GMT -6
This is from a GTalk conversation I had with Eddie:
Eddie: I'm not so sure. JP is more level headed. He is pissed because V is his friend, thats all. Politically he wont want to leave the party. If he was going to leave he would have done it already in anger. but he hasnt, instead he want a discussion Xhorxh: I want a discussion too. I didn't like that part, "Party membership is not of any members' business other than Flip and myself." Eddie: I said that in anger. I apologise. Truly sorry. I regret saying that Xhorxh: So you and Flip are the almighty leaders of the party and others only have a say on unimportant issues? Eddie: hey hang on. Read my last 2 lines Xhorxh: It sounded just like that, I'm sorry to say Eddie: i know thats what it sounded like. thats why i just apologised. come on now. dont be foolish. dont throw an apology back in my face. please Xhorxh: Party leaders should think ten times before saying things like that. ----------------------------------------
Eddie: yes, you apologized, but it was my choice and JP's and everybody else's to accept your apologies or not. That was a matter of fundamental importance to the party and we party members were, using your own words, "stabbed in the back". But we didn't make a fuss. Instead, we just remained quiet and decided to leave and form a new party. Period. Why then do you come here and keep hitting on the same key when you were to blame in the first place? I know you're mad because your party has fallen to pieces, but this is ridiculous.
Flip, first of all, my name is not Xhorax. Second, if starting a new party means I'm power-hungry, why did you start your own party? If being party president shows that I'm power-hungry, weren't you a party president too? And didn't you and your vice-president behave like dictators and cut off someone's head without a fair trial?
Also, you said, "I wrote the CCCP manifesto and most of the party code when we were together there." This is proof that I didn't want to do everything by myself. I let you grow inside the party and you indeed participated a lot and proved a good legislator. I didn't leave you in a damp cell to rot. The CCCP was the beginning of your brilliant political career.
And Owen, just because I don't write bills often it doesn't mean I'm "inactive". I always participate in Hopper discussions, exchange e-mails and chat on GTalk with others about most Talossan issues. Sir Fritz, for example, doesn't write bills or appear on Witt often but he exchanges thoughts with several people by PM or e-mail and gives his contribution to a better Talossa. That doesn't mean he's a lazybones or an uninterested, apathetic citizen at all.
And who told you I'm not pro-reform anymore? Who told you I suddenly started hating the Republic and its citizens? I never said so and you can't prove it.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jun 25, 2009 7:19:45 GMT -6
There was nothing hyperbolic about Xhorxh's alleged attack. Ridiculous, perhaps. But by my dictionary, nothing hyperbolic about it. Your point seems to be that Xhorxh's statement was not hyperbole because he was not intentionally exaggerating the significance of Iustì's use of a KoT.net e-mail address (with the intent that it be seen as exaggeration), he actually literally meant it. If so, thanks for clearing that up. It reveals that "hyperbolic" was perhaps not the best choice of terms (it may have been too charitable), but hardly makes Xhorxh's original statement look any better. Um I didn't have a problem with his "ironic" description of my time as Prime Minister, he was poking with a stick and I let him know I noticed. HOWEVER! I DO have a problem with him calling me very unChristian names and every one in the PP standing around patting one another on the back rather than bringing Owen into line I have a problem with "raging ass" too. I don't think he should have resorted to name-calling, and have said so. But to try to get back at him by twisting the "dictator" comments into an attack against you is unjustified. And look, there's V doing it again a couple of posts below yours. Apparently the PP continues to throw stones. Oh look another one. You seem to have mistaken me for a PP member. I have been a proud and loyal member of the RUMP since the day I co-founded it in 2005. This kerfuffle started with Xhorxh making a silly attack against a RUMPer and Owen coming to the RUMPer's defense. I didn't think the PP as a party had anything to do with it. EDIT: Fixed quote misattribution due to cut-and-paste error. Mea culpa!
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