The Catchment Area Reform Act

[Glüc da Dhi]

Is the US not the world?

No proposal will have exactly 12,5% of all immigrants for each province, but my guess is that this proposal will be more fair than the current system, and make a lot more sense as well.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Apr 17, 2016 13:22:08 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

I also note that there is no catchment area in the world for Maritiimi-Maxhestic, or at least minimally. As Senator to Maritiimi-Maxhestic, I cannot support this proposal unless it is fair to all provinces.

I understand that, in the opinion of some Maritiimi-Maxhesticians, the most fair number of prospectives for their province to receive is "all of them" ( ), but this proposal would result in Maritiimi-Maxhestic receiving more than 1/8 of the citizens who have immigrated during the past several years.

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

I see that this proposal is fair to 5 of the eight provinces. And completely unfair to 2 out of 8 eight, of which one is already sinking in disaster, for want of any active citizenry; and you want to deprive other provinces of an active income of citizenry, thereby endangering their future?

I see that Catchment Areas need reform, but let’s do it right.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I agree with my personal and creative interpretation of the Seneschal's words: Maritiimi-Maxhestic should have a much bigger catchment area.

I propose all continental landmasses.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Which 2 are you talking about?

If the one you are talking about is Vuode, their catchment area will actually be bigger than it was.

[Lüc da Schir]

If your land area logic was applied to US politics, Magniloqueu, we'd have a Republican landslide in November. But guess what - land area is not equal to population, or in our case, immigrants. Atatürk's enormous catchment area has a low potential immigrant density. Vuode has an expanded catchment area with more potential immigrants than before, even if it looks small.

M-M has the Washington metro area and the Southern US which are fairly immigrant rich. The M-M areas I reallocated were practically immigrantless, save for three Germans, one of which is actually Fiovan. But, of course, if you expected nothing else than sweeping landmass shifts towards M-M's immigration areas, I can't really help you with that.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

Apr 17, 2016 13:47:54 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

I see that this proposal is fair to 5 of the eight provinces. And completely unfair to 2 out of 8 eight, of which one is already sinking in disaster, for want of any active citizenry; and you want to deprive other provinces of an active income of citizenry, thereby endangering their future?

I see that Catchment Areas need reform, but let’s do it right.

Could you clarify what you think "doing it right" means? Because it sounds like you think this bill is unfair for not adding enough to the smaller provinces, AND for taking too much from the bigger provinces.

[Iason Bitxichë Taiwos]

I would like to say that a few Benitians who are residents of Ohio are not happy at all with this plan. Keep Ohio Benitian!

[E.S. Bornatfiglheu]

Apr 17, 2016 13:43:12 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Is the US not the world?

Yes, the US is the world, and so is the state of Wisconsin.

The Cosa is trying to rebalance something which cannot really be rebalanced, because no sooner would they get things in a certain configuration than immigration will shift and we will find ourselves doing this all over again.  The task is Sisyphean at best.

Also, I would also inform the Benitian Senator that a number of your constituents are absolutely not happy with the proposed legislation.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Apr 17, 2016 14:37:27 GMT -6 Lüc da Schir said:

M-M has the Washington metro area and the Southern US which are fairly immigrant rich. The M-M areas I reallocated were practically immigrantless, save for three Germans, one of which is actually Fiovan.

By my count, MM only lost Germany, the Czech Republic, Madagascar, Papua New Guinea, and Vietnam.

[Ian Plätschisch]

Apr 17, 2016 14:54:01 GMT -6 E.S. Bornatfiglheu said:

Apr 17, 2016 13:43:12 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

Is the US not the world?

Yes, the US is the world, and so is the state of Wisconsin.

The Cosa is trying to rebalance something which cannot really be rebalanced, because no sooner would they get things in a certain configuration than immigration will shift and we will find ourselves doing this all over again.  The task is Sisyphean at best.

Perhaps that is so, however, compared to the old catchment areas, the new ones make a lot more sense geographically. Also, who is to say whether immigration will or wont shift?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Removing Germany from our catchment area?!

[Lüc da Schir]

*sigh*

An attempt at addressing some of the concerns due to heritage and stuff.
- American Benitian catchment area partially restored (OH, NY, NJ)
- Vuode compensated with Ontario and Minnesota from Florencia
- M-M gets LA and AR from Maricopa, and Germany and Czechia from CZ
- Atatürk gets all of Benito's African zone

[Glüc da Dhi]

We might as well leave it as it was then...
There's always going to be someone unhappy about the plan.
Only I wish they had told us a year ago when we started.

If I recall correctly, MM wasnt historically a German province (Neither Maritiimi, nor Maxhestic sounds particularly German). Germany was part of Cézembre as it was the European province.

Giving populous states with a lot of immigrants like NY and Ohio to Vuode makes sense, because Vuode is in real trouble, while Benito is doing very well in terms of immigrants. And it makes sense geographically as well. Undoing that would get Vuode in the same situation again. New catchment areas wouldn't require current citizens to change province btw.

[Lüc da Schir]

This would still be relative geographical contiguity with an eye at tradition. Anything is better than the current mess.