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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 27, 2014 17:13:03 GMT -6
If I remember correctly, Davron were never prosecuted for their attempted electoral fraud in the 1994 Cosâ election (secretly taking over a second political party running in the election in addition to their own). KR1 went after them for not sending him a copy of their front party's election advertisement instead. Well that's definitely something we have to fix. It will be tricky to do so, since it's hard to legally distinguish between accidental multiple votes and intentional ones. Maybe that's why it was never done. Article [whatever] It is hereby declared a [class whatver] felony any attempt to cast vote in any election or in any legislative chamber in the name of another citizen. The penalty shall be, in addition to any penalties for this class of felony, a ban for a period of no less than 1 year during which the person shall not be able to service in any elected position (including Cosa Member, Senator but not nominated positions such as minister, etc..). Article [whatever +1] If a political party is found guilty of infriging the previous article, in addition to the individual sentence, the party itself shall be banned for a period of no less than a 1 year. See, not difficult at all. If someone can help me write it in proper language and fill the gap, I will propose it in the next Cosâ and can put that person as co-sponsor. I will use the SoS limousine.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 27, 2014 17:16:10 GMT -6
Well that's definitely something we have to fix. It will be tricky to do so, since it's hard to legally distinguish between accidental multiple votes and intentional ones. Maybe that's why it was never done. Right. The legislators must take precaution, so that innocent mistakes do not become criminalised. How can you innocently vote for someone else? Oops, I know I am Marti-Pair, but by accident, I voted saying I was Danihel Laurieir. Oops. If you vote more than one time as yourself, I record the voted next to the person, so additional votes are just ignored. I see no problem with that. If someone votes in the DB, by Witt Message, publicly in the thread and by email to 3 of my email addresses, that's still ONE vote.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 27, 2014 17:18:34 GMT -6
If I accidentally send two duplicate votes to the SoS, it shouldn't be a crime. I don't think it's quite so simple as it may seem at first glance.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 27, 2014 17:18:49 GMT -6
You'd also want to make it a crime for public officials to "lose" votes, to improperly certify votes or to improperly count votes.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 28, 2014 3:18:53 GMT -6
If I accidentally send two duplicate votes to the SoS, it shouldn't be a crime. I don't think it's quite so simple as it may seem at first glance. Like I said, if you send two votes from YOU, it's not TWO votes, it's a single vote sent twice. If you send a vote from you and then pretend to vote from someone else, it's a crime PERIOD.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 28, 2014 3:26:22 GMT -6
If I accidentally send two duplicate votes to the SoS, it shouldn't be a crime. I don't think it's quite so simple as it may seem at first glance. Like I said, if you send two votes from YOU, it's not TWO votes, it's a single vote sent twice. If you send a vote from you and then pretend to vote from someone else, it's a crime PERIOD. I'm not sure you can argue that two votes cast - regardless by whom the were cast - only count as one, if the voter is Person X, but count as two, if the voter, on both accounts, is X, but (1) posing as Y, and (2) not posing as anyone but himself, i.e. X.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jul 28, 2014 3:31:21 GMT -6
You'd also want to make it a crime for public officials to "lose" votes, to improperly certify votes or to improperly count votes. That's more complicated. If I get a vote from your IP for someone in the US and we can prove it came from you and was criminal, because there is no way you can pretend to have accidentally voted for someone else. If you wanted to relay the vote from someone else, you should say so "I had a phone conversation with XYZ and he votes ZRT", you wouldn't say "I am XYZ and I vote ZRT". Now, if I receive a vote for the ZRT and change it to the MRPT, it could either be a data entry error or a conspiration. If a person says he voted by email and I don't enter it, is it because it didn't reach my server? Is it because the person lied about sending it? It is because I ignored it? To prevent against that, I actually send a confirmation email back to the voter. If they voted for the ZRT and I enter MRPT, then they will know it. Plus, with their PSC, any voter can review their own vote even after the election.
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