Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 26, 2014 23:20:57 GMT -6
DISTRACT DISTRACT DISTRACT
Please, publish anything from me which you considered damaging, it'll be funny. The A-G's office decided it was not worth it to continue pursuing a non-citizen. This might be criticised. Now, the current A-G is not the A-G who dropped the ball on that.
I thought at the time - and I still think - that E. S. B should be let back into Talossa and face trial in a situation where he would face meaningful consequences. But clearly I was wrong to let your blackballing slide. So yeah, I think you hoodwinked me on that one. As the leaked documents reveal, Manus, Tim, Iústi and the King all agreed that it was better not to let ESB stand fair trial - because you thought that it might turn into a political circus, or even that Justice dàl Navâ was one of theirs and couldn't be trusted.
You know, unlike ESB and Admiral Asmorescu, Count Hooligan has not once admitted wrongdoing (except in a rather sad kind of "my only crime is loving Talossa too much" way). Something to think about.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 26, 2014 23:28:42 GMT -6
Anyway, thanks for their contribution to this political debate from the Three Wise RUMPers. Hear, Speak and See No Evil about a party member (which I think was the 11th Commandment of Ronald Reagan?)
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 26, 2014 23:45:29 GMT -6
Yes. I see that there is definitely some distracting going on here, indeed So the ESB case is not delayed at all, but entirely dead? I thought - everyone thought, rather - that we were just waiting for charges to be filled. It's widely agreed that leaving the country is not immunity from prosecution, despite a case that would almost certainly be overturned in a court today. It was certainly worth a shot, even if he was once in your own party. When were we going to be told that the Government was not pursuing charges against a confessed many-time electoral and immigration fraud? I still, again, won't comment on a possible pending prosecution. And someone helping write the complaint probably shouldn't be asking!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 26, 2014 23:50:18 GMT -6
You might want to ask the current A-G about this, but I think he's a bit busy. But rest assured I want ESB tried, no ifs no buts.
I'm not writing the complaint in re: Hooligan and Asmorescù. The A-G is writing the complaint.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 27, 2014 0:09:53 GMT -6
Actually it was MY government that brought ESB immigration request to the nation. I personally started his immigration thread and I personally moved him through the pre-immigration process. This current government can't take credit for that.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 27, 2014 0:29:32 GMT -6
Credit given, Txec; freely and willingly, because you're about the only RUMPer who has disassociated himself from this apparent criminality. An untold story of the last six months is how much the ZRT took a back seat in the Government, so as not to be the tail wagging the dog. This meant a lot of balls got dropped and weren't picked up until I got the acting Seneschál gig. Well, those balls will certainly not be dropped if the ZRT leads the next government. The voters will have to decide whether they would really want an activist Seneschál doing their job 100% if that Seneschál were me.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jul 27, 2014 2:17:06 GMT -6
Well, those balls will certainly not be dropped if the ZRT leads the next government. The voters will have to decide whether they would really want an activist Seneschál doing their job 100% if that Seneschál were me. Another untold story, Glüc was attending University from 8 AM and returned home late at night. Since the MRPT will most likely have a new leader in the next General Elections, it doesn't mean that if the MRPT leads the next government the story will be the same. I for all assure my best efforts - and my heaps of untapped spare time - will be devoted to the new government. The latest government - and Txec's government - taught me what a Seneschal mustn't do. It's time to have a Seneschal who is really able to stay in touch 24/7 and complete the reforms we pledged to do, with or without the Fortress Senäts.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 27, 2014 3:05:06 GMT -6
We were all victims of the abuse of the system that ESB was involved in; I find it particularly distasteful that anyone thinks it at all appropriate to be pushing the point that he was a ZRTer, especially given that at the time of the incident he had left the ZRT and joined the NPW. Bringing this up really is nothing but very transparent distraction tactics, and I'm rather disappointed that Alexandreu has employed them instead of following S:reu Nordselva's example.
Sure, I want to see a trial concerning the ESB scandal, but that's not ammunition to prevent others who are still Talossans and who still play a large role in the day to day national conversation from going to trial. I'm very glad that the Attorney General is looking into the revelations which were discovered a few days ago, and once this more pertinent incident of who-knows-what-to-call-it is over, perhaps then the Attorney General will be able to focus on putting someone who is no longer a citizen and who isn't a potential threat on trial.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 27, 2014 3:50:24 GMT -6
Recusalgate? Talossaleaks? Manus the Hand of Shenanigans?
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 27, 2014 3:55:26 GMT -6
Talossaleaks is probably the catchier of the suggestions.
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Post by Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. on Jul 27, 2014 6:11:39 GMT -6
I'm not sure how the AG could be seen as delaying the ESB proceedings since he filed the case before the UC in April.
Maybe go have a look in the UC thread?
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jul 27, 2014 6:49:26 GMT -6
Credit given, Txec; freely and willingly, because you're about the only RUMPer who has disassociated himself from this apparent criminality. An untold story of the last six months is how much the ZRT took a back seat in the Government, so as not to be the tail wagging the dog. This meant a lot of balls got dropped and weren't picked up until I got the acting Seneschál gig. Well, those balls will certainly not be dropped if the ZRT leads the next government. The voters will have to decide whether they would really want an activist Seneschál doing their job 100% if that Seneschál were me. You mean balls like the first of many Terpelaziun that wasnt answered in time, while I was away? I had been trying to get the ball rolling again on a number of issues just before I left. Sadly, when I came back, except for the newly appointed scribe (congrats on that), they were all dead. I get a lot of criticism, and yeah, I havent been active enough, but behind the scenes I have also been working on getting a number of minister to do their jobs, spending a lot of wasted time trying to get the King to do what he said he would, etc and I notice ZRT ministers and deputies, with the sole exception of you, have not exactly been the most active ministers. But Im sure thats only because they deliberately took a back seat... Guess election season is on again. BTW, Epic DID file charges against ESB, has done serious work on other cases (though Im not sure I can speak of that) and stood on the basis of some quite relevant reforms to the justice system, and now it almost seems as if people are trying to blame him for doing work on another important case. That cant be right.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Jul 27, 2014 6:52:30 GMT -6
I'm not sure how the AG could be seen as delaying the ESB proceedings since he filed the case before the UC in April. Maybe go have a look in the UC thread? Indeed, I have filed that case. Since then, I have been advised by Senator Preston, that the Clerk of Courts did not attend to any Witt PMs, or to any Witt posts. Senator Preston even argued that it were "easy to miss Witt PMs" (not a direct quote). This is why I wanted him relieved of his duties. I was very recently given his e-mail address, and intend to send it to him again, when I find the time to retrieve the file and amend it. (I only have it on PDF, and not as a Word-Document anymore, which means that I have to copy it into word, and then change the screwed format and tweak the date &c.) Sir Alexandreu Davinescu, if you recall, you published an article about my filing the case with the UC. In your own newspaper. Try doing research before bashing, thank you.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 27, 2014 7:54:11 GMT -6
So you really are done then? We have the attorney-general now agreeing that electoral fraud charges are not pending against ESB?
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Post by Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. on Jul 27, 2014 9:18:34 GMT -6
So you really are done then? We have the attorney-general now agreeing that electoral fraud charges are not pending against ESB? How exactly did you deduce that from: I was very recently given his e-mail address, and intend to send it to him again, when I find the time to retrieve the file and amend it. (I only have it on PDF, and not as a Word-Document anymore, which means that I have to copy it into word, and then change the screwed format and tweak the date &c.) So, the charges are pending, and were filed. The Attorney-general has been impeded by the Clerk of Courts (a member of which party?) however, who refuses to accept cases via any sort of Witt correspondence. But no matter, I'm honestly curious how "I have done it, and I will send a follow up email" translates to "charges are not pending, I'm done?"
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