Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 28, 2013 1:10:43 GMT -6
As I say, last I spoke to Eric, he was willing to freely give himself up to Talossan justice.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 28, 2013 1:19:04 GMT -6
Then he can apply for citizenship again through the normal channels, although his essay is a little different ("Why Talossa Hasn't Meant That Much to Me.") That will also give the opportunity for closure if anyone seeks it, when he answers questions in the Immigration forum. And if he is re-admitted, then he can file a simple guilty plea, copy-and-paste his explanation, and ask for mercy. If reconciliation - and Talossa - are important to him, that seems the best way.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jan 28, 2013 1:20:24 GMT -6
Incidentally, I believe strongly in forgiveness - and so while I am not sure I could ever trust him, I would be perfectly open to his return.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 28, 2013 1:23:58 GMT -6
That probably seems the best way to go about it. I will make sure Eric knows.
Anyway, Ben-Ard has gotten my question on whether an ex-citizen can be tried, so he'll be getting onto that soon.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jan 28, 2013 1:37:30 GMT -6
That probably seems the best way to go about it. I will make sure Eric knows. Anyway, Ben-Ard has gotten my question on whether an ex-citizen can be tried, so he'll be getting onto that soon. Just a side note - Ben Ard is still has reservations about 'purple' being used in a CoA. In that many of Eric's uh...Personalities ... wanted 'purple' in their CoA's - I wouldn't bring that up.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jan 28, 2013 1:55:48 GMT -6
Ben Ard has a point. "Purple" isn't a real colour!
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jan 28, 2013 2:08:58 GMT -6
Are there any countries that do not try non-citizens for crimes conducted in the country? If he willingly gives him up to face our justice, why shouldn't he be tried? I don't see why a restoration of citizenship would be needed.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Jan 28, 2013 7:12:01 GMT -6
Are there any countries that do not try non-citizens for crimes conducted in the country? If he willingly gives him up to face our justice, why shouldn't he be tried? I don't see why a restoration of citizenship would be needed. I agree. In principle, there doesn't seem to be any reason we couldn't go ahead with a trial, though there is a question of practical benefit. Most likely, a trial would end with either the same outcome (citizenship terminated with no bar to future reapplication) or a worse one for Eiric (banishment -- permanent citizenship termination).
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jan 28, 2013 7:17:53 GMT -6
I'd say it's better to have the issue solved now, to avoid that we'll be drifting into heated debates later, in case of an "unexpected" return of Eiric.
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jan 28, 2013 8:26:52 GMT -6
In any case, the only way to get him back now is an Act of the Ziu or a Cort order. You're welcome to go for it, though if you go the Act of the Ziu route, we might not get him back till May. Unless the PM exercises her Hopper time-shortening powers. Edit (because S:r Davinescu is a ninja): Ah, I was thinking of a different situation. Yes, if he really wants his day in Cort, he could reapply. Granted my research was alcohol addled, but I see no mention of a Cort order being an authorized means of granting citizenship. Where do I find that citation? MAG
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jan 28, 2013 8:34:30 GMT -6
Thank you, sir, for sparing us the immense bother of Cort proceedings and what-not. My stock with you was up, then it went waaaay down, and now it has gone up at the sight of your candor. Your renunciation is the honorable and sensible thing to do, and while you have certainly burned bridges with me at least in regard to Talossa, I wish you better and well in your future non-Talossan endeavors. Peace. GV This was sent a little while ago to my personal email account. I post it here without alteration or comment, since it seems to be addressed to all of us. ===== Dear All, Let me start by saying I'm sorry. Apologies don't make things all better, and that's most certainly the truth, but hopefully it can project something of my sorrow at my actions. For the past while, I've been creating hand puppets. It began with a idle wonder on my part as to whether I could get away with it and then extended to see just how far it could get pushed. I don't know whether I did it to make a point, and if I did I'm not sure what it would be. I don't think I did it in a perverse desire to seize power. In all honesty, I don't know why I did it. Straight up, hands down, cards on the table. Nobody else knew of my actions. I often thought to myself that I should knock this off. But I didn't and now the time has come to pay the piper. Pay a price that is too high for what amounts to screwing around but is regardless justly earned. In this I have betrayed those I came to consider friends and meddled in a living community of real people. And that's the worst part of what I have done. And hearing a person's voice on the other end of the phone brought that home. Anonymity kills, please don't remain anonymous to one another. As a matter of form, please consider this my renunciation of citizenship. It is something for which I am unfit. In regret, Eric
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jan 28, 2013 8:38:46 GMT -6
Your renunciation is the honorable and sensible thing to do You do know that you just replied that to the king, right?
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jan 28, 2013 8:43:22 GMT -6
GV on his speedy way from his mild Blue Wave monarchism to an ultra-radical republicanism, eh?
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jan 28, 2013 8:44:19 GMT -6
Incidentally, I believe strongly in forgiveness - and so while I am not sure I could ever trust him, I would be perfectly open to his return. I, for one, wish him well, but right now, I am by no means open to him ever doing Talossa with us again. GV
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Jan 28, 2013 14:46:27 GMT -6
Your renunciation is the honorable and sensible thing to do You do know that you just replied that to the king, right? Ooops...
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