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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 7, 2008 5:58:59 GMT -6
Anyway... this is not the debate for now. This is the debate for when the report is delivered.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 7, 2008 9:07:32 GMT -6
"In a nation our size, it is very important to know who is and is not in your political party; secret ballots would allow for a lot of subterfuge -- someone could play double-agent, vote against "his" party, and then receive Cosâ seats from the leadership." coughCLPsecretlistscough But it's only the voting bit that makes that kind of subterfuge really dangerous. It's always possible to flip on a party by joining them, obtaining their confidence, and then voting for the other guys. The problem is manifold worse when the flipper can keep voting and voting for the other party without the party that trusts him being any the wiser. Consider this entirely plausible scenario: A member of party A, planning all along to vote for party A, approaches party B telling them "hey, I'll vote for you guys in the upcoming election if you promise to give me a few Cosa seats if you get a majority." He has just hedged his bet by being able to go to whichever party actually wins a majority to claim the Cosa seats he wanted. If party A wins, he can stay in the majority as a loyal party member, and if party B wins, he can stay in the majority by claiming to have switched just as he promised.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 7, 2008 9:11:52 GMT -6
I was being mildly facetious rather than actually arguing the matter *grin*
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Post by Nic Casálmac'h on Feb 14, 2008 12:47:15 GMT -6
What efficiency! Let's write a bill to establish a committee to investigate something, which probably isn't of much benefit anyway. I guess it could keep some people busy, though.
At any rate, I also like the open ballot. I have no problem with people knowing how I have voted, and I like to be able to see how others voted. Besides of course the reason already named, I think this contributes to an atmosphere of honesty and respect for difference in opinion, which is absolutely vital to our nation.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 15, 2008 6:59:56 GMT -6
The Senator's constant critical eye is valued and appreciated by the entire nation, I am sure.
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
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Post by Flip Molinar on Feb 15, 2008 12:59:31 GMT -6
With the bill as edited in the first post of this thread, we must support this bill. It is imperative that we give everyone the option to vote in private. That will give everyone a chance to relax when they vote. If people still wish to vote publicly, so be it. However, all this bill does is to find ways of secret balloting, not enforcing it. Let us take this first step to increased privacy for each and every Talossan.
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