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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Sept 8, 2014 19:23:54 GMT -6
No, no, of course they don't think that. In fact, it's precisely this kind of blowing up of political disagreement into venomous hatred which marks out the deep lack of serious and sincerity at the heart of your political practice. You've been working really hard to try to convince me that a large number of people secretly revile me, Miestra. Please don't make me go find the quotes from your posts and embarrass you further, just because those same people are showing up and contradicting your unpleasantness. Remember... no one would deal with me because I'm a "pompous git" but people are afraid to say anything because then they might become "target number one of Beric'ht cartoonists," even though the RUMP "stinks in the nostrils of the other parties"? You've been pushing it all week. It's too late to pretend otherwise, just because you got caught.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Sept 8, 2014 19:35:07 GMT -6
The fact is, if what I've heard from my spies is true, your offer to the ModRads was quite insulting, and was definitely in the "beads and trinkets" category - and before I'm accused of mocking 530 years of colonialism, let me explain. The metaphor refers to someone who thinks they're cunning who offers, to someone they think is naive, something of little value in the hope of getting something of big value in return. It's a lack of respect being shown. You should get better spies. You might have a point if the MRPT leader hadn't agreed to the deal, at the end of a negotiation. If I had proposed what ended as the final terms, and he had scoffed and said, "Nonsense, how demeaning, you are wrong and boy is Miestra awesome" then you would be right. But we negotiated from different starting points, arriving at what we both thought was an equitable deal. Also, thank you for the marginal improvement in your comparisons. I was expecting, "You're much like Mugabe and also Hitler and Pol Pot and a genetic amalgam of Justin Bieber and the Antichrist." To paraphrase Oliver Cromwell, I beseech you in the bowels of the Good Lord to ask yourself whether the reason the RUMP seems to have failed to negotiate their way into government is in fact due to your own behaviour, rather than... I don't know, why did you think the ModRads would make a deal with you, I guess I thought they'd make a deal with me because their leader said, "Yes, we can make a deal," and then... um, made a deal with me. How silly.
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Post by Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. on Sept 8, 2014 19:48:21 GMT -6
Well, considering said party leader has just publicly stated that you omitted facts regarding these negotiations and asserts that he informed you prior to negotiations that he lacked authority per his party's constitution to unilaterally make a deal, it would indeed seem silly of you.
A bit like saying "I can't believe Dan Brown didn't show up to my birthday party. I talked to his agent who said he'd ask him for me..."
But I also notice a cycle of Alex arguments whereby we start at "I am but a humble servant" and end with "you are a sad person and I have bested you." This, considering the RUMP lost its years long supermajority with you at the helm (and the fact you were unable to negotiate a coalition to inch your party back into power) seems a strange attitude to always have.
But if you really wish to definitively settle Miestra's alleged claims of your universally accepted suckiness, I suggest we just have a "Do you think Alex is a tool?" Poll in the chat room just to settle the matter once and for all.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Sept 8, 2014 19:59:06 GMT -6
Well, considering said party leader has just publicly stated that you omitted facts regarding these negotiations and asserts that he informed you prior to negotiations that he lacked authority per his party's constitution to unilaterally make a deal, it would indeed seem silly of you. A bit like saying "I can't believe Dan Brown didn't show up to my birthday party. I talked to his agent who said he'd ask him for me..." More like, "I talked to his agent, who assured me that he could form an agreement with me on the specific terms of Dan Brown's appearance, and with whom I then negotiated a deal to which he said he agreed. But it's the agreed time and Dan Brown isn't here! I'm starting to think that this guy was never really able to agree to anything and shouldn't have pretended to be!" But I also notice a cycle of Alex arguments whereby we start at "I am but a humble servant" and end with "you are a sad person and I have bested you." That end part is more usually just called a "verdict." Haha! But seriously, I am very fortunate in that I don't have to rewind any tapes, I can just point back to the plain text.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 8, 2014 20:05:58 GMT -6
I don't know, why did you think the ModRads would make a deal with you, considering that (a) you lost the Senäts, glory be; (b) everything you can give them, the other parties can give them better; (c), the other party leaders don't have a reputation as a devious snake? Why? Because the deal was negotiated before the election ended, when no one knew how the Senäts seats would turn out and most observers were actually predicting a RUMP majority. And the deal guaranteed the MRPT something even if the RUMP won an absolute majority and had no need at all of MRPT assistance to form a government. How's that for respect for one's negotiating partner? Unfortunately, the way things played out on the MRPT side (which I am happy to attribute to miscommunication rather than malice) turned the deal from a bargain based on mutual assumption of risk into a classic case if moral hazard. Like deciding whether to pay your insurance premium after you've learned whether you'll have an accident. Of course the deal didn't seem so good once the election results were known, but who wouldn't think the premium too high after learning they didn't need coverage anyways?
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 8, 2014 20:32:27 GMT -6
most observers were actually predicting a RUMP majority. And - as Alex is fond of saying - "look at the text" and see that I thought that was ridiculous because most of the splinter parties came from the RUMP gene-pool. Those "observers" were either RUMPers engaging in wishful thinking, or Glüc being his usual pessimistic self, sorry Glüc. The point is: get new pollsters. But back to the floundering Sir Alex: if it's not true that he has a reputation which "stinks in the nostrils" of other party leaders - why did his coalition deal fall flat? He claims to have proven to his own satisfaction that the ZRT is a bunch of {fill in the blanks} led by myself, the utter queen of all {fill in the blanks} - but I'm going to be in the next Government, insha'llah, and he's not. Why is that?
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Sept 8, 2014 20:34:38 GMT -6
Can we get back to discussing the Electoral Commission? That'd be cool.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Sept 8, 2014 20:46:40 GMT -6
most observers were actually predicting a RUMP majority. And - as Alex is fond of saying - "look at the text" and see that I thought that was ridiculous because most of the splinter parties came from the RUMP gene-pool. Those "observers" were either RUMPers engaging in wishful thinking, or Glüc being his usual pessimistic self, sorry Glüc. The point is: get new pollsters. "Mostly RUMPers" were the ones overpredicting RUMP performance? That's weird... someone just recently said this: Moderately close, Glüc - congrats! As I said, EVERYONE (except me, and strangely Txosué who couldn't count to 200) overestimated the RUMP vote, which I correctly predicted would be down. So, a big overestimation of the RUMP vote, a medium underestimation of the ModRad vote, and a small underestimation of the PC vote. I told you you were too pessimistic - and yet, of all the numerically correct predictions, you were closest, because you were the only one who didn't predict a RUMP majority. I think your argument is with this "Miestra Schiva" person, who seems to think that, of the near predictions, Gluc was the "only one who didn't predict a RUMP majority." Careful, though... I hear she has a temper! But back to the floundering Sir Alex: if it's not true that he has a reputation which "stinks in the nostrils" of other party leaders - why did his coalition deal fall flat? He claims to have proven to his own satisfaction that the ZRT is a bunch of {fill in the blanks} led by myself, the utter queen of all {fill in the blanks} - but I'm going to be in the next Government, insha'llah, and he's not. Why is that? What? I didn't say anything about the ZRT. Heck, I didn't even say anything about you, except that I wish you would please stop trivializing historical monstrosities and that you seem to be lying about what the MRPT told you (as both Luc and Gluc have now confirmed). As I have ever said and repeatedly affirmed, both in public and in private, I respect you enormously and am quite fond of you. I would never call you any sort of nasty invective... not only because it's wrong, but because I don't think it. You just tend to get a little carried away, I think? You're strongly opinionated, well-educated, and really, really passionate. That makes you willing to bend rules and ethics sometimes, in the sake of "rough stuff" politics. As in... if you can try to create the idea that everyone dislikes me, maybe I'll believe it - or maybe everyone else will believe it and it will become true! - and that's okay because I'm your political opponent who is just out for my own personal gain rather than the good of the country. It's unfortunate, but it's part of your charm. It's why I wrote about you, fondly, that "your native tongue is rebellion." As to why you're going to be part of the coalition, that much is obvious: even though the ZRT was dealt a crushing blow and lost fully a third of their seats this past election, your party's presence is still needed to make a majority, and you yourself are an active and capable administrator.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 8, 2014 20:59:13 GMT -6
Can we get back to discussing the Electoral Commission? That'd be cool. Good point. At some level, every post-election dust-up has to end with one side saying "we won, you lost, eat that" (or politer words to that effect), and the other side has to say "curses! we'll get you next time, see if we don't!". If they're good losers, as opposed to (last sentence deleted but available by PM if you're really interested).
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Post by M.T. Patritz da Biondeu on Sept 8, 2014 21:02:19 GMT -6
*yawns as he waits for election results* I assume we will have our Cosa started before Samhain, ja?
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Sept 9, 2014 1:17:48 GMT -6
*yawns as he waits for election results* I assume we will have our Cosa started before Samhain, ja? Try Bealltainn.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Sept 9, 2014 1:35:10 GMT -6
Damn, dudes, it's not even been a week. If we'd had to sit through a traditional 4 week election period (complete with stretched-out Loyalty Parade), I could understand the annoyance.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Sept 9, 2014 3:50:28 GMT -6
Just an idea - merge the UC and the Magistracy (would give us 6 judges instead of 3) and create a rotating appeals court/uppermost court of sorts among the 6 judges so that no one has to sit solely on the UC. While the judge sits on the rotating appeals panel, they would not be in the Cosa but as soon as they ended their term, they can resume their role there. Possibly allow judges on the appeals panel to assign their seat to someone who would then have to give it back once their time on the panel ended. We could even only replace judges when they drop under 5, giving us a possible UC of 5 judges when a critical case needs a full complement of 5 judges.
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Post by Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun on Sept 9, 2014 4:04:33 GMT -6
But a simple issue of informing the people responsible that they had a job to do might have helped. Way ahead of you; I e-mailled Litz a few days ago, and just heard back from her. If I should get permission to make her reply public, I’ll tell you how her progress is. But it sounds good! With permission of the gracious Justice Cjantscheir, I'm sharing with you the report she kindly gave me about her progress: Yesterday, on 21:13 GMT+1, Justice Cjantscheir replied to my e-mail from 6 Sep 2014/XXXV: I hope Judge Edwards will have time to validate the votes soon, as well. Let's hope for the best!
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Sept 9, 2014 4:04:45 GMT -6
Damn, dudes, it's not even been a week. If we'd had to sit through a traditional 4 week election period (complete with stretched-out Loyalty Parade), I could understand the annoyance. As of yesterday morning, there seemed to be cause for concern that the rate of validation meant it could take more than a month to complete the process. But I think that's been cleared up now, and a lot of progress has occurred over the past 24 hours, so people should be able to relax now. Gotta ask, though: what do you mean by Loyalty Parade? Before I thought it was figurative, or a reference to the casting of public ballots by RUMP members, but here you seem to mean an actual event apart from the election. Or are you just being facetious in this instance? (Not trying to be argumentative here, just genuinely curious.)
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