The Talossan Translator's Corps Act

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

The Talossan Translator's Corps Act

WHEREAS the language of our proud nation is undeniably important, and

WHEREAS it's SO important that all our important documents should be readable in Talossan, and

WHEREAS whilst one cannot legislate for all aspects of culture, the cultural benefits of translating our official documents into Talossan would no doubt be quite substantial, and

WHEREAS an active Translation Service filled with members would reduce the workload on certain individuals, and

WHEREAS it would give people stuff to do that doesn't involve front-line politics, now

THEREFORE be it enacted by the Ziu that the section of 36RZ17 (The Cabinet Refinishing Act) dealing with the Büreu del Glheþ is hereby amended to read as follows:

"The Büreu del Glheþ Talossán (Language Bureau), administered by the Ladintsch Naziunál. This Bureau shall specifically promote the use of the Talossan language, shall work in concert with all extra-governmental societies and groups to do the same, and shall advise the Department of the Census in the Chancery regarding the creation of Talossan names for citizens who request them.

Within the Büreu there shall be a division known as the Talossan Translation Service whose task shall be to translate official or historical documents into el Glheþ Talossan. The Translation Service shall be led by a Director appointed by the Ladintsch Naziunál."

FURTHERMORE the Ziu hereby mandates that the Talossan Translation Service may structure itself and recruit its members as it sees fit, though it may not discriminate on any grounds other than the applicant's proficiency with el Glheþ Talossan.

Noi urent q'estadra sa
C. Carlüs Xheraltescu (MC, ZRT)
Miestrâ Schivâ (MC, ZRT)
Owen Edwards (MC, CSPP)
Iustì Canun (SRT-MA)
Txec dal Nordselva (MC, RUMP)

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El Praxel dal Serviçù dal Glheþinaziun

TANDI QE el glheþ da noastra naziun fiir isch incuntrazicivalmint impirtint, es

TANDI QE c'e SA impirtint qe toct noschtri documenteux impirtints fossent estarh liraval in Talossan, es

TANDI QE ivenðo si non put inschcritarh per toct i äspectsilor dal cúltura, els benefiteux culturais dal glheþinaziun da noschtri documenteux uficiais indubitanter estadrent trei substançais, es

TANDI QE üna actíu Serviçù dels Glheþineirs qi'st perintschada avetz membreux reduçadra la scharxhaziun sür certaes individuais, es

TANDI QE acest zonadra àls popuis dal cosalía à façarh qe non involva els politici dal parada, nun

PER ACEASTA RAZIUN c'e enactescu par el Ziu qe la secziun da 36RZ17 (El Praxel del Cußeglh sè Refinischaziun) q'adreßa el Büreu del Glheþ isch perventüra amendat à zirarh acest:

"El Büreu del Glheþ Talossan, admistrat par el Ladintsch Naziunal. Acest Büreu specificmint promotarha l'utzil del glheþ Talossan, travalarha cumpair toct verbands es grupas extragovernamaintschais a facarh el mismeu, es cunseglharha el Departamenteu del Censüs in la Cantzelería proftala creaziun dals nóminas Talossaes per els citaxhiens qi lor piedent.
Da din el Büreu hi sera üna ziviçaziun qi'st cogneçada come la Serviçù dal Glheþinaziun, qissen tasc'ha serà la glheþinaziun dels documenteux uficiais eda þistorici. La Serviçù dal Glheþinaziun serà duciada per ün Zirecteir qi'st apüntescu par el Ladintsch Naziunal."

PETOSCH el Ziu perventüra inpera qe la Serviçù dal Glheþinaziun put strütürificarh-se es rescrustarh sieux membreux come ça txuxhadra àð estarh cuvegnens, mas non put decergnarh per ingen raziun salva qe l'aplicheir sè competintità avetz el glheþ Talossan.

Noi urent q'estadra sa
C. Carlüs Xheraltescu (MC, ZRT)
Miestrâ Schivâ (MC, ZRT)
Owen Edwards (MC, CSPP)
Iustì Canun (SRT-MA)
Txec dal Nordselva (MC, RUMP)

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

We currently have a statutorily-created Büreu del Glheþ Talossan within the Ministry of Culture. Wouldn't that be the natural place to stick additional official governmental language projects, like translation of official documents?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Yes, I like the idea here, but it might be better to direct the Büreu to establish such a thing, or alter the Büreu's mandate as required. Or, I suppose, the Büreu could be eliminated if that is considered better, although in such a case can the Corps be renamed in el glheth?

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

I don't want the Corps to be too closely associated with the government in order to grant it some autonomy. It is my intention to have the Act translated into Talossan, and it will be clarked bilingually.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Ah, then I guess I didn't understand the purpose of this bill. But why create this by Ziu fiat, in that case, which makes it subordinate to the legislature? After all, if the Ziu can create and gives commands to that group, it is inherently under the control of the Ziu. Why not just propose such a corps to the CUG, the already-extant and already-active independent language group? That would give the corps maximum autonomy, without creating another organization that seems to be redundant.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

I said autonomous of the government, not of the Ziu; they are not the same thing.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

The purpose of this bill is to create an organisation that is answerable to the Ziu but isn't just another branch of government. That way people who are perhaps less interested in politics, more interested in the language and who want more direction in how their linguistic skills can be of service are able to serve in a publicly recognisable way.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I really don't mean to nitpick, but a third organization, competing with the already-existing and silent MinCult Büreu and the prestigious and active CUG just seems a little silly, especially when admittance to the new third group will rely on the legislature's consent.

I guess I won't really oppose it if those in the know want it, since I'm certainly not as hip to the language as many. Maybe you could include in this act the initial members, though, so it looks a little less like an Act to Establish Another Empty Group.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

Your last concern is something which I understand and I will be talking t a few people concerning whether they would be willing to take part.

Concerning the silent Ministry of Culture Bureau, I know that some of our linguists may object to working directly for a ministry or as part of the government, but would object less so to working for the state as a whole.

Regarding the CUG, I see the Corps as being more of a taskforce ready to actively deal with these documents, and I'd like for it to be linked to the state in some way so that the legislature can have some control over an organisation that is, after all, going to be working for the state's benefit.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

(I'm heading down to Cardiff now, so I apologise if I don't reply for quite some time!)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Apr 19, 2013 3:28:55 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

Your last concern is something which I understand and I will be talking t a few people concerning whether they would be willing to take part.

Concerning the silent Ministry of Culture Bureau, I know that some of our linguists may object to working directly for a ministry or as part of the government, but would object less so to working for the state as a whole.

Regarding the CUG, I see the Corps as being more of a taskforce ready to actively deal with these documents, and I'd like for it to be linked to the state in some way so that the legislature can have some control over an organisation that is, after all, going to be working for the state's benefit.

Sounds good to me! Thanks for putting up with my pestering - I just think that empty organizations are one of the worst things we can do as a country, and so I try to stay vigilant. I have much respect for this bill's goal.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

If people interested in doing cultural things on behalf of the state might object to doing it under the Ministry of Culture, should we HAVE a Ministry of Culture? It seems that the stated reasons for wanting the TTC to be independent of the Büreu del Glheþ apply to the Ministry's entire mission.

[Owen Edwards]

MinCul has always been a weird anomaly, especially given the number of those of (in US terms) Republican leaning who are suspicious of government involvement in the so-called "private" matters of culture, humanitarian aid, etc. I obviously am not of that instinct, but nonetheless...

I've suggested beforehand that some initial translators be named to get the ball rolling, so that this actually happens - perhaps we could find some consensus choices?

[Deleted]

Speaking as nominee for MinCul, I would have no issue with making anyone who wants to be, on advice from CUG, official translators. I also wouldn't raise an eyebrow if CUG just took over this responsibility on its own.

As a Senator, I'm on the fence with this and my vote could go either way. I'll probably vote for it as those who are big on the language seem to support it.

[Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă]

You're not a nominee as the King has accepted your appointment.