The One More Step Towards Individual Freedom Act

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

One More Step Towards Individual Freedom Act

WHEREAS no citizen of the Kingdom of Talossa currently may hold citizenship in what is legally defined as micronation and

WHEREAS there is a better way to defend Talossa from the needless relations with some micronations than such a harsh ban and

WHEREAS being a part of any productive and non-violent community of people is an essential part of human rights not subject to any governmental restriction, and

WHEREAS it is possible to see participating in a small “bug nation” as a hobby, and

WHEREAS we don’t want the government deciding what our hobbies are, unless it is harmful to other or the Talossan community, and

WHEREAS there may be micronations that are more serious than the average “bug nation”, and

WHEREAS majority of developed and democratic societies allow dual citizenship with such nations, and

WHEREAS Talossas own cultural identity is strong enough to prevent “bug nations” from becoming a thread, now

THEREFORE 37RZ2, The What’s The Difference Act, along with 23RZ35, 24RZ11, 25RZ2 and 29RZ10 are hereby repealed.

FUTHERMORE

1. The legal definition of micronation used for 25RZ50, The Semi-Permeable Wall Act shall be: "any society of persons (whether claiming territorial sovereignty or not) that

a. claims a governmental organization and citizenry and

b. is not a member of the United Nations and

c. is not a member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization and

d. is not officially recognised by the Kingdom of Talossa.”

2. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs shall keep a blacklist of micronations that are considered athreat to the Kingdom of Talossa or in any way interfere with the interests of the Kingdom.

3. Every citizen can freely and with no restrictions participate in other micronations, unless they are listed in the aforementioned Black List.

4. Micronations can be removed from the Black List by a vote receiving a majority in both houses of the Ziu. Micronations can be added to the Black List by a vote receiving a two-thirds supermajority in at least one of the houses of the Ziu or a vote receiving a majority in both houses of the ziu.

5. It is a criminal act for any Talossan citizen to seek, accept, or hold citizenship in a blacklisted micronation. The penalty for committing such a crime shall be the revocation of Talossan citizenship. The Attorney-General, on being informed of any alleged violation of this act, and upon verifying the same to his personal and legal satisfaction, shall immediately notify the accused that the government has determined that valid cause exists for a criminal case to be brought against the citizen in the Uppermost Cort. After providing this notification, the Attorney-General shall allow ten days for the accused to dissolve any and all allegiance to the micronation, or to organize a defence against the charge. If, after this ten day period, the Attorney-General determines that the criminal act yet continues, he shall immediately file criminal charges against the accused with the Uppermost Cort and there shall seek the prescribed penalty for the violation of this act. If after this ten day period, the Attorney-General determines that the criminal activity has permanently ceased, or the micronation was legally deleted from the Black List, he shall not file the considered charges, and the accused shall continue as a fully privileged citizen of the Kingdom.

6. If it becomes evident that a prospective citizen does hold a citizenship in a blacklisted micronation, then either he should renounce this forbidden citizenship before being granted the Talossan citizenship or his application would be terminated.

7. All members of the Ziu, the Cabinet, the Uppermost Court, the
Magistrate's Court, the Chancery or the Royal Treasury and the Chancellor of the Royal Talossan Bar must report the following information to the Ministry of Foreign Affairs:
a) All micronations of which he/she is a member.
b) All national public offices he/she holds in these micronations.

8. Every person holding any of the offices named in clause 2 of this act who join a micronation
or get appointed to a national public office in a micronation during their time in office must provide the Ministry of Foreign Affairs with this information within 15 days of the event.

9. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is responsible for maintaining a public list of all the information mentioned in clauses 7 and 8 of this act.

10. It is a criminal act for anyone holding an office mentioned in clause 7 of this act to provide false information about his/her micronational involvement. The penalty for such a crime may, depending on the seriousness of the mistake be impeachment from any office mentioned in clause 7.

11. It is a criminal act for the Minister of Foreign affairs or the Minister of Defence to seek, accept, or hold citizenship in a micronation. The penalty for such a crime shall be impeachment from office.

12. "Citizenship" in a micronation, as mentioned in clauses 5 and 11 of this act, shall not include "honourary citizenship," where the honourary citizenship:
-does not entitle the honouree to vote in the micronation's elections,
-does not entitle the honouree to hold political, governmental, or administrative office in the micronation,
-does not obligate the honouree, after the grant of honourary citizenship to pay taxes, fees resembling taxes, or membership dues, and
-does not create any continuing obligation or bond of allegiance to the micronation.

Noi urent q'estadra sa:

Alexandreu Bisquinc (MC, MRPT)
Glüc Da Dhi (Senator, Cézembre)
Lüc Da Schir (MC, MRPT)
C. Carlüs Xheraltescu (MC, ZRT)
Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN (MC, ZRT)
Davíu Lundescu(MC, CSPP)
Txec Róibeard Nordselva (MC, RUMP)
Ián Anglatzarâ (Senator, Fiôvâ)

Notes:

1. This act leaves the definition of micronation and the semi-permeable wall act intact, since these are separate issues and may be dealt with in another bill.

2. Parts of the structure of this act were taken from an earlier proposal by Capt. Tim Asmourescu.

[Lüc da Schir]

Obviously I ask to be cosponsor, Alex.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Done.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

What if a Talossan Citizens wishes to hold elected or appointed office in another nation?

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Dec 9, 2012 11:44:21 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

What if a Talossan Citizens wishes to hold elected or appointed office in another nation?

If a Talossan Citizen holds citizenship in some micronation, it would depend on the law of that particular nation if he would be able to be held elected or appointed or anything.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Dec 9, 2012 11:59:13 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

Dec 9, 2012 11:44:21 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

What if a Talossan Citizens wishes to hold elected or appointed office in another nation?

If a Talossan Citizen holds citizenship in some micronation, it would depend on the law of that particular nation if he would be able to be held elected or appointed or anything.

Let me restate my question-

Will a Talossan Citizen be allowed to hold an elected or appointed office in another nation?

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

I thought that was obvious from my answer.
Yes.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Dec 9, 2012 12:17:26 GMT -6 Alèx Soleighlfred said:

I thought that was obvious from my answer.
Yes.

So, a Talossan citizen can be President of another nation?

I see a huge conflict of interest here.

[Glüc da Dhi]

I dont. I believe there already isnt a law restricting us from holding office in small nations we consider serious, like Luxembourg for example. And when the nation isnt that serious, the worst that could happen is that we have some citizen proclaiming himself the holy prince of the kingdom of eastern montana and wants to form an allaince with us, in which case we just say no and ignore him. And if he gets really annoying we can always put eastern montana at the blacklist.

Even though I dont have any intention to join any nation that isnt Talossa or The Netherlands, I think changing fro a white to a black list is the right thing for Talossa. Im no libertarian, but I do believe the government shouldnt just prevent citizens from chosing for themselves, unless there is a good reason for that.

(post 1500 )

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

Neither do I see a problem.

1. This possibility doesn't prevent real countries from allowing dual citizenship.
2. What's wrong with leading your own tiny micronation?
3. If there's serious conflict of interest with Talossa, there's always a blacklist for such cases.

[Munditenens Tresplet]

Dec 9, 2012 12:27:26 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

I dont. I believe there already isnt a law restricting us from holding office in small nations we consider serious, like Luxembourg for example. And when the nation isnt that serious, the worst that could happen is that we have some citizen proclaiming himself the holy prince of the kingdom of eastern montana and wants to form an allaince with us, in which case we just say no and ignore him. And if he gets really annoying we can always put eastern montana at the blacklist.

I am not going to get into Mick's concerns, but I have a few of my own:

1. What if, as you say, "Eastern Montana" is blacklisted? Will the citizen be formally charged here in Talossa and expelled or will he be allowed his "freedom" to keep his citizenship here as he held it before being blacklisted?

2. If such citizen was the leader or ruler of "Eastern Montana", and we did blacklist the nation, do you not foresee any complications with a Talossan citizen being the ruler of what is essentially an enemy country?

3. Is it possible for the Minister of Foreign Affairs to use his blacklisting powers for personal attacks on either current citizens or prospective citizens that hold citizenship in some obscure micronation that they founded and they are the sole citizen of?

In essence, is it really freedom if any country can be arbitrarily blacklisted at any given time? At least our current system isn't this ambiguous. It's like saying "Well, drugs are now legalized, but anything that is too serious can be de-legalized at any given moment."

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

If a nation is blacklisted, than either such a citizen voluntary leaves his citizenship in Eastern Montana, or his Talossan citizenship is renounced. See point 5 in the proposal. This answers both questions 1 and 2.

3. The countries get blacklisted via the votings held by both houses.

I wouldn't go as far as to analogize dual citizenship with drugs.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

So, I can be King of 15 other micronations, and you all wouldn't have a problem with that?

[Glüc da Dhi]

Dec 9, 2012 12:37:23 GMT -6 Munditenens Tresplet said:

Dec 9, 2012 12:27:26 GMT -6 Glüc da Dhi said:

I dont. I believe there already isnt a law restricting us from holding office in small nations we consider serious, like Luxembourg for example. And when the nation isnt that serious, the worst that could happen is that we have some citizen proclaiming himself the holy prince of the kingdom of eastern montana and wants to form an allaince with us, in which case we just say no and ignore him. And if he gets really annoying we can always put eastern montana at the blacklist.

I am not going to get into Mick's concerns, but I have a few of my own:

1. What if, as you say, "Eastern Montana" is blacklisted? Will the citizen be formally charged here in Talossa and expelled or will he be allowed his "freedom" to keep his citizenship here as he held it before being blacklisted?

2. If such citizen was the leader or ruler of "Eastern Montana", and we did blacklist the nation, do you not foresee any complications with a Talossan citizen being the ruler of what is essentially an enemy country?

3. Is it possible for the Minister of Foreign Affairs to use his blacklisting powers for personal attacks on either current citizens or prospective citizens that hold citizenship in some obscure micronation that they founded and they are the sole citizen of?

In essence, is it really freedom if any country can be arbitrarily blacklisted at any given time? At least our current system isn't this ambiguous. It's like saying "Well, drugs are now legalized, but anything that is too serious can be de-legalized at any given moment."

Well, the ziu would decide which nation gets blacklisted, not one person.
The current system, which uses a whitelist is ambiguous as well.
Only in our proposal the government deciding what citizens can and cannot do is the exception, while in the current situation the government not intervening is the exception.

[Glüc da Dhi]

Dec 9, 2012 12:42:57 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

So, I can be King of 15 other micronations, and you all wouldn't have a problem with that?

Under the current law I could be King of the Netherlands without any problem. As far as unrecognised 'bug nations' are concerned, we dont recognize them anyway. Let them choose for themselves. Not everything I disagree with should be forbidden.