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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 15:44:39 GMT -6
I'm convinced
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 15:51:19 GMT -6
CONSITUTION OF THE SOVEREIGN PROVINCE OF BENITO
We, the people of Benito, do hereby endorse this constitution for the government of our great Province and do therefore ordain it to be the rule and guide of our government and the guardian of our rights.
The State
Art. 1. The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.
Art. 2. The name of the state is la Provinçù Soveran da Benito. In English, it is the Sovereign Province of Benito.
Art. 3. The sacred and irremovable territory of the Sovereign Province of Benito shall consist of the cantons of Lorentizio and Riverside.
Art. 4. The capital of the Province is Lorentizio.
Art. 5. The sole historic and national language of the entire Talossan people, and therefore of the Beniton Province, is the Talossan language (el glhetg Talossan). The Beniton government shall also recognise English as a useful working second language, and may adopt tertiary working languages by law.
Art. 6. The Provincial flag shall be registered with the College of Arms with the blazon, We fess vert and gules an inescutcheon per tierce vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or in chief a royal crown proper.
The Corporative Chamber
Art 7. Legislative power in the Sovereign Province of Benito is invested in a Corporative Chamber. The Corporative Chamber shall consist of 11 seats filled by representatives of political parties granted legislative seats in the general election.
Art 8. The Corporative Chamber shall have power to pass any bill into law by a simple majority vote of its members. Voting sessions shall open at the first hour of the first day of each month except during national General Elections. At the dissolution of the Cosa, the Corporative Chamber will also be dissolved. Seats in the Corporative Chamber will be redistributed according to the ballots cast in the General Election by citizens of the Province.
Art 9. Members of the Corporative Chamber shall be known as Chancellors and must participate in each open session of the Chamber. Failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions shall make a Chancellor eligible for removal.
Art 10. A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Corporative Chamber following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Corporative Chamber may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Viceré for distribution.
The Maestro
Art 11. The Maestro shall be the majority leader in the Corporative Chamber. He shall have the power to issue proclamations which have the force of law. These proclamations may be appealed or amended as regular laws.
Art 12. A new Maestro may be chosen at any time by a resolution approved by a majority of the Corporative Chamber, but a resolution electing a new Maestro or continuing the current Maestro in office must be approved by the Corporative Chamber at least once in every term of the national Cosa. The first order of business of each newly assembled Corporative Chamber will be to elect a new Maestro from among its members.
Il Viceré
Art 13. The Viceré, or Viceroy is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of the Corporative Chamber. The Viceré is appointed by the King pursuant to Organic Law. While the King may freely appoint a Viceré, it is the preference of the citizens of the Province of Benito that the Viceré be a citizen of the Province for at least one year prior to appointment.
Art. 14. A veto by the Viceré may be overridden by a 3/5 majority vote of the Corporative Chamber.
El Noval Representanteu
Art 14. Benito’s delegate to the Senäts shall be known within the Province as el Noval Representanteu and styled “Senator.” The Noval Representanteu shall be selected pursuant to Organic Law.
Distribution of Power
Art 15. So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro, Viceré, or Noval Representanteu simultaneously. The Viceré also may not hold seats in the Corporative Chamber.
Justice
Art 16. The Cort pü Inalt shall have original jurisdiction to try all cases arising under Beniton law.
Art 17. The Province of Benito reserves the right to form a justice system to meet its needs pursuant to Organic Law.
Amendments
Art 18. This Constitution may be altered by a Corporative Chamber resolution, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote and promulgated by the Viceré.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 16:01:05 GMT -6
I added a portion allowing us to override a veto with a 3/5 majority vote. Also, I added a portion whereby the Vicere cannot hold a seat in the CC.
It just seemed reasonable, since the King can't be in the Cosa.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2008 19:15:51 GMT -6
Also, it was suggested we translate "Riverside" but I can't find a good translation for "riverside" but I had a few suggestions:
Rieti
Cosenza
Both are provinces in Italy, or...
Riva is "River" (unless I'm mistaken) so the canton of Riva may be a good way to add some italian flare while preserving the tradition.
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Post by Flip Molinar on Nov 7, 2008 21:49:42 GMT -6
But what if a rogue MCC continually votes against measures which they promised to support during their campaign. An MCC should be the voice of the people in their government, not the voice of their personal agenda.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 7, 2008 22:30:28 GMT -6
But what if a rogue MCC continually votes against measures which they promised to support during their campaign. An MCC should be the voice of the people in their government, not the voice of their personal agenda. Well, in all actuality... The MCC is the voice of his personal agenda - he voted himself into office. Until we have more people in the Provinces than we have MCC's in the Province.... |
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Nov 8, 2008 7:23:41 GMT -6
Also, it was suggested we translate "Riverside" but I can't find a good translation for "riverside" but I had a few suggestions: Rieti Cosenza Both are provinces in Italy, or... Riva is "River" (unless I'm mistaken) so the canton of Riva may be a good way to add some italian flare while preserving the tradition. May I suggest "Mazzini" and "Garibaldi"- two major people involved in the unification of Italy. Others include the usual- da Vinci, Medici... I also have found another representation of fascism here- the name of our legislative body. The "Chamber of Fascists and Corporations" was the name of the legislative body of Italy, the Camera dei Deputati, during the reign of Mussolini. I am unsure how I feel about this because of the cultural importance, but if we are trying to remove fascism from our Province (ie changing the name) we must consider it. If we were willing to change our name, I see no reason why we would be unwilling to change this as well. But as I said, I understand the importance. Just more things to chew on.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 8:18:54 GMT -6
CONSITUTION OF THE SOVEREIGN PROVINCE OF BENITO
We, the people of Benito, do hereby endorse this constitution for the government of our great Province and do therefore ordain it to be the rule and guide of our government and the guardian of our rights.
The State
Art. 1. The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.
Art. 2. The name of the state is la Provinçù Soveran da Benito. In English, it is the Sovereign Province of Benito.
Art. 3. The sacred and irremovable territory of the Sovereign Province of Benito shall consist of the cantons of Garibaldi and Mazzini.
Art. 4. The capital of the Province is Garibaldi.
Art. 5. The sole historic and national language of the entire Talossan people, and therefore of the Benitian Province, is the Talossan language (el glhetg Talossan). The Benitian government shall also recognise English as a useful working second language, and may adopt tertiary working languages by law.
Art. 6. The Provincial flag shall be registered with the College of Arms with the blazon, We fess vert and gules an inescutcheon per tierce vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or in chief a royal crown proper.
The Provincial Chancellery
Art 7. Legislative power in the Sovereign Province of Benito is invested in a Provincial Chancellery. The Corporative Chamber shall consist of 11 seats filled by representatives of political parties granted legislative seats in the general election.
Art 8. The Provincial Chancellery shall have power to pass any bill into law by a simple majority vote of its members. Voting sessions shall open at the first hour of the first day of each month except during national General Elections. At the dissolution of the Cosa, the Provincial Chancellery will also be dissolved. Seats in the Provincial Chancellery will be redistributed according to the ballots cast in the General Election by citizens of the Province.
Art 9. Members of the Provincial Chancellery shall be known as Chancellors and must participate in each open session of the Chamber. Failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions shall make a Chancellor eligible for removal.
Art 10. A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Provincial Chancellery following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Provincial Chancellery may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Viceré for distribution.
The Maestro
Art 11. The Maestro shall be the majority leader in the Provincial Chancellery. He shall have the power to issue proclamations which have the force of law. These proclamations may be appealed or amended as regular laws.
Art 12. A new Maestro may be chosen at any time by a resolution approved by a majority of the Provincial Chancellery, but a resolution electing a new Maestro or continuing the current Maestro in office must be approved by the Provincial Chancellery at least once in every term of the national Cosa. The first order of business of each newly assembled Provincial Chancellery will be to elect a new Maestro from among its members.
Il Viceré
Art 13. The Viceré, or Viceroy is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of the Corporative Chamber. The Viceré is appointed by the King pursuant to Organic Law. While the King may freely appoint a Viceré, it is the preference of the citizens of the Province of Benito that the Viceré be a citizen of the Province for at least one year prior to appointment.
Art. 14. A veto by the Viceré may be overridden by a 3/5 majority vote of the Provincial Chancellery.
El Noval Representanteu
Art 14. Benito’s delegate to the Senäts shall be known within the Province as el Noval Representanteu and styled “Senator.” The Noval Representanteu shall be selected pursuant to Organic Law.
Distribution of Power
Art 15. So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro, Viceré, or Noval Representanteu simultaneously. The Viceré also may not hold seats in the Provincial Chancellery.
Justice
Art 16. The Cort pü Inalt shall have original jurisdiction to try all cases arising under Benitian law.
Art 17. The Province of Benito reserves the right to form a justice system to meet its needs pursuant to Organic Law.
Amendments
Art 18. This Constitution may be altered by a resolution of the Provincial Chancellery, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote and promulgated by the Viceré.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 8:19:29 GMT -6
I made a proposed change to the canton names and also suggest we change the name of the legislature to "Provincial Chancellery" to coincide with our use of the style "Chancellor"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 8:21:46 GMT -6
But what if a rogue MCC continually votes against measures which they promised to support during their campaign. An MCC should be the voice of the people in their government, not the voice of their personal agenda. What happens now in the U.S. when a Senator or Congressman does that? They generally lose their bid for re-election. To truly allow Democracy to do its thing, I think it would be detrimental if we just allowed MCCs to be removed from office by a vote without a specified reason (criminal conduct etc.). It is a slippery slope and could be abused down the road. |
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Nov 8, 2008 9:09:52 GMT -6
I like the new draft, there are still some references to the CC in there, but those are easily edited.
May I suggest that the Provincial Chancellery be also styled as La Cancelleria della Provincia (same thing, just Italian). Perhaps we can take it a step farther and style our Chancellors Cancelliere as well.
Also- another quick linguistic sidenote- El Noval Representanteu is not grammatical, it needs to be changed to El Representanteu Noval. Adjectives are inverted in Romance languages.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Nov 8, 2008 9:11:51 GMT -6
Not all though! In Spanish: El pelo corto (adjective second) is correct but you can also say la primera vez (adjective first).
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Nov 8, 2008 9:13:58 GMT -6
Not all though! In Spanish: El pelo corto (adjective second) is correct but you can also say la primera vez (adjective first). Of course. It should be inverted in this instance though, I do believe. While we're on this subject- I am fixing the last draft of the constitution in Talossan (fixing all the verb issues and some contractions) and adding the changes. I should have another draft up this afternoon. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 11:23:23 GMT -6
CONSITUTION OF THE SOVEREIGN PROVINCE OF BENITO
We, the people of Benito, do hereby endorse this constitution for the government of our great Province and do therefore ordain it to be the rule and guide of our government and the guardian of our rights.
The State
Art. 1. The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.
Art. 2. The name of the state is la Provinçù Soveran da Benito. In English, it is the Sovereign Province of Benito.
Art. 3. The sacred and irremovable territory of the Sovereign Province of Benito shall consist of the cantons of Garibaldi and Mazzini.
Art. 4. The capital of the Province is Garibaldi.
Art. 5. The sole historic and national language of the entire Talossan people, and therefore of the Benitian Province, is the Talossan language (el glhetg Talossan). The Benitian government shall also recognise English as a useful working second language, and may adopt tertiary working languages by law.
Art. 6. The Provincial flag shall be registered with the College of Arms with the blazon, Per fess vert and gules an inescutcheon per tierce vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or in chief a royal crown proper.
The Provincial Chancellery
Art 7. Legislative power in the Sovereign Province of Benito is invested in a Provincial Chancellery. The Provincial Chancellery shall consist of 11 seats filled by representatives of political parties granted legislative seats in the general election.
Art 8. The Provincial Chancellery shall have power to pass any bill into law by a simple majority vote of its members. Voting sessions shall open at the first hour of the first day of each month except during national General Elections. At the dissolution of the Cosa, the Provincial Chancellery will also be dissolved. Seats in the Provincial Chancellery will be redistributed according to the ballots cast in the General Election by citizens of the Province.
Art 9. Members of the Provincial Chancellery shall be known as Chancellors and must participate in each open session of the Chancellery. Failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions shall make a Chancellor eligible for removal.
Art 10. A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Provincial Chancellery following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Provincial Chancellery may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Viceré for distribution.
The Maestro
Art 11. The Maestro shall be the majority leader in the Provincial Chancellery. He shall have the power to issue proclamations which have the force of law. These proclamations may be appealed or amended as regular laws.
Art 12. A new Maestro may be chosen at any time by a resolution approved by a majority of the Provincial Chancellery, but a resolution electing a new Maestro or continuing the current Maestro in office must be approved by the Provincial Chancellery at least once in every term of the national Cosa. The first order of business of each newly assembled Provincial Chancellery will be to elect a new Maestro from among its members.
Il Viceré
Art 13. The Viceré, or Viceroy is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of the Chancellery. The Viceré is appointed by the King pursuant to Organic Law. While the King may freely appoint a Viceré, it is the preference of the citizens of the Province of Benito that the Viceré be a citizen of the Province for at least one year prior to appointment.
Art. 14. A veto by the Viceré may be overridden by a 3/5 majority vote of the Provincial Chancellery.
El Representanteu Noval
Art 14. Benito’s delegate to the Senäts shall be known within the Province as el Noval Representanteu and styled “Senator.” The Noval Representanteu shall be selected pursuant to Organic Law.
Distribution of Power
Art 15. So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro, Viceré, or Noval Representanteu simultaneously. The Viceré also may not hold seats in the Provincial Chancellery.
Justice
Art 16. The Cort pü Inalt shall have original jurisdiction to try all cases arising under Benitian law.
Art 17. The Province of Benito reserves the right to form a justice system to meet its needs pursuant to Organic Law.
Amendments
Art 18. This Constitution may be altered by a resolution of the Provincial Chancellery, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote and promulgated by the Viceré.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 11:24:28 GMT -6
I removed any remaining instances of the Corporative Chamber and fixed my erroneous Talossan, I thank those better versed in the Talossan tongue for helping.
Any other changes?
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