Constitutional Convention

[Vit Caçeir]

Oct 30, 2008 13:51:20 GMT -6 Adm. T.M. Asmourescu, O. Ben. said:

Art. 4. The capital of the Province is Lorentizio.

I want to address a cultural matter here, if you wouldn't mind...

a number of provinces, as well as the national government, have selected a de jure capitol building, for ceremonial reasons. I suggesting creating Lorentizio the capitol of the province in the past, and in doing so I began looking up some buildings in the canton that held some sort of architectual or historical significance, should we decide to create a capitol building.

Is anyone else interested in appointing some building in the canton the capitol building, even if only for conformity's sake?

[Deleted]

I like that idea. However, it may be wise to legislate that rather than writing it into the constitution.

We can change legislation a lot easier if we ever needed to.

But we can definitely begin a search for a capitol building, I'm all for it.

[EM Vürinalt]

I agree with S:reu Asmourescu here as well. If we make the constitution an outline of what this province will be and how it will be governed we open the CC up into having a purpose. Instead of taking all the legislation-able things and writing them into the constitution, we are actually going to have to make bills and vote upon them in order to bring this province into its full grandeur.

As to the earlier discussion of the Cort- I agree with Tim again and we can simply right a "necessary and proper clause" for that one.

[Vit Caçeir]

Nov 1, 2008 8:04:59 GMT -6 EM Vürinalt said:

As to the earlier discussion of the Cort- I agree with Tim again and we can simply right a "necessary and proper clause" for that one.

Good point... I suppose I'll get around to writing legislation on that.

Will a nessecary and proper clause need to be written into the constitution, or will that fall into the C.C.'s "implied powers" seeing as it is roughly modeled off of the national Cosa?

[Deleted]

Think of the Constitution as our province's form of Organic Law....

It sets forth the governmental bodies, procedures and provides a basic framework for laws.

[Deleted]

Draft Two, with information on removing members of the CC:



CONSITUTION OF THE SOVEREIGN PROVINCE OF BENITO

We, the people of Benito, do hereby endorse this constitution for the government of our great Province and do therefore ordain it to be the rule and guide of our government and the guardian of our rights.

The State

Art. 1. The Sovereign Province of Benito is an autonomous and self-governing member of the federal Talossan nation and pledges eternal allegiance to His Royal Majesty, and the Regipäts Talossan.

Art. 2. The name of the state is la Provinçù Soveran da Benito. In English, it is the Sovereign Province of Benito.

Art. 3. The sacred and irremovable territory of the Sovereign Province of Benito shall consist of the cantons of Lorentizio and Riverside.

Art. 4. The capital of the Province is Lorentizio.

Art. 5. The sole historic and national language of the entire Talossan people, and therefore of the Beniton Province, is the Talossan language (el glhetg Talossan). The Beniton government shall also recognise English as a useful working second language, and may adopt tertiary working languages by law.

Art. 6. The Provincial flag shall be registered with the College of Arms with the blazon, We fess vert and gules an inescutcheon per tierce vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or in chief a royal crown proper.

The Corporative Chamber

Art 7. Legislative power in the Sovereign Province of Benito is invested in a Corporative Chamber. The Corporative Chamber shall consist of 11 seats filled by representatives of political parties granted legislative seats in the general election.

Art 8. The Corporative Chamber shall have power to pass any bill into law by a simple majority vote of its members. Voting sessions shall open at the first hour of the first day of each month except during national General Elections. At the dissolution of the Cosa, the Corporative Chamber will also be dissolved. Seats in the Corporative Chamber will be redistributed according to the ballots cast in the General Election by citizens of the Province.

Art 9. Members of the Corporative Chamber shall be known as Chancellors and must participate in each open session of the Chamber. Failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions shall make a Chancellor eligible for removal.

Art 10. A Chancellor may be removed from their seat in the Corporative Chamber following conviction by the Cort pü Inalt, Dismissal from the Talossan Military, death, incapacitation or failing to vote or abstain in 3 consecutive legislative sessions. Removal shall not be automatic. Following one or more of these incidents, any member of the Corporative Chamber may present a Writ of Impeachment at the next legislative session which shall clearly state for which of the aforementioned reasons a Chancellor should be removed. The Writ shall be authorized upon receiving a 3/5 majority vote and then presented to the applicable party leader by the Maestro. Political Parties will have until the next session or 30 calendar days, whichever is greater, to fill vacant seats. Any seats left vacant after such time will be turned over to the Viceré for distribution.

The Maestro

Art 11. The Maestro shall be the majority leader in the Corporative Chamber. He shall have the power to issue proclamations which have the force of law. These proclamations may be appealed or amended as regular laws.

Art 12. A new Maestro may be chosen at any time by a resolution approved by a majority of the Corporative Chamber, but a resolution electing a new Maestro or continuing the current Maestro in office must be approved by the Corporative Chamber at least once in every term of the national Cosa. The first order of business of each newly assembled Corporative Chamber will be to elect a new Maestro from among its members.

Il Viceré

Art 13. The Viceré, or Viceroy is the representative of the King of Talossa, and as such, shall have veto power over all laws of the Corporative Chamber. The Viceré is appointed by the King pursuant to Organic Law. While the King may freely appoint a Viceré, it is the preference of the citizens of the Province of Benito that the Viceré be a citizen of the Province for at least one year prior to appointment.

El Noval Representanteu

Art 14. Benito’s delegate to the Senäts shall be known within the Province as el Noval Representanteu and styled “Senator.” The Noval Representanteu shall be selected pursuant to Organic Law.


Distribution of Power

Art 15. So that no conflict of interest may occur, or that no one individual may take over the province in a hostile attempt, no-one may hold more than one of the offices of Maestro, Viceré, or Noval Representanteu simultaneously.

Justice

Art 16. The Cort pü Inalt shall have original jurisdiction to try all cases arising under Beniton law.

Art 17. The Province of Benito reserves the right to form a justice system to meet its needs pursuant to Organic Law.

Amendments

Art 18. This Constitution may be altered by a Corporative Chamber resolution, which must be approved by a referendum of the people attaining the favour of three-fifths of those who vote and promulgated by the Viceré.

[EM Vürinalt]

Looks great!

[Flip Molinar]

Great work. However, citizens should be able petition to recall an MCC for breaking their manifesto.

[Deleted]

I'm intrigued, give me a "for instance" if you would be so kind.

[EM Vürinalt]

A little Talossan for everyone:

LA CONSTITUZIUN DAL PROVÎNÇU SOVERÁN DA BENITO

Noi, els popuis da Benito, perventürá endorçent aceastâ constituziun për el governamáintsch da noastra Provînçu grült és për aceastâ raziun cunsacrent ça estarë el regleu és guiza da noastra governamáintsch és el viac’htéir da noschtri drepts.

L’estat
Articál 1. La Provînçu Soverán da Benito isch ün mîmbreu autonôm és se-governînd dal naziun federál Talossán és empena alexhançù eternál à Sieu Maxhestà Rexhitál, és el Regipäts Talossán.

Articál 2. La nôminâ del estat isch «La Provînçù Soverán da Benito.» În Angleascâ, «The Sovereign Province of Benito.»

Articál 3. La teritôriâ sacrâ és ûnremovavál dal Provînçù Soverán da Benito fost qomsistar dels cantôns da Lorentizio és Riverside.

Articál 4. El capitál dal Provînçù isch Lorentizio.

Articál 5. El glheþ soleu þistoric és naziunál dels popuis totáis Talossáes, és për aceastâ raziun dal Provînçù Benitonâ, isch el Glheþ Talossán. El governamáintsch Beniton fost reconéiçar oscå Angleascâ come ün glheþ da travál utzíl second, és pût adopter glheþen da travál tierçals par ops da legeu.

Articál 6. El drapéu provincial fost estarë enrexhistrat cün el Coletx d’Armeux cün come “fess vert and gules an escutcheon per tierce vert, argent, and gules fimbriated or in chief a royal crown proper.”

La Cámerâ Corporadatïu
Articál 7. Pëvarë lexhislatïu în la Provînçù Soverán da Benito isch esferçeva în üna Cámerâ Corporadatïu. La Cámerâ Corporadatïu fost qomstistar da eschcáes 11 empienats da representanteux da partis politicáis grantadâs empienats în l’eleziun xhenerál.

Articál 8. La Cámerâ Corporadatïu fost tirë pëvarë validar proxhet iñen ainciün legeu da üna votâ maxhorità simpil da ça mîmbreux. Seßiuns votînds fossent åpnar àl þorâ prümâ dal zuiâ prüma da mes cadascù salvâ Eleziuns Xheneráis naziunáis. Àl zißolvaziun dal Cosâ, la Cámerâ Coporadatïu serà zißovat oscå. Empienats în la Cámerâ Coporadatïu serà redistribats d’ospréi àl papéis electoráis în l’eleziun xhenerál da citaxhiêns dal Provînçù.

Articál 9. Mîmbreux dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu fossent estarë conheçats come Cantzeléirs és fossent partiçipar în seßiun cadascù åpnescù dal Cámerâ. Failînd votar eda austanar în tres seßiuns cunsecutïus lexhislatïus fost faþilitar ün Cantzeléir capavál për ablaziun.

Articál 10. Ün Cantzeléir pût estarë removat da lor empienat în la Cámerâ Corporadatïu ospréi conviziun del Cort Înalt, remandaziun del Militár Talossán, moart, eda failînd votar eda austanar în tres seßiuns cunsecutïus lexhislatïus. Ablaziun non fost autumäts. Sovînd viens eda pü da spisodâs acestilor, iñen mîmbreu dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu pût presentar ün Escrigut d’Impüstaziun àl seßiun lexhislatïus proximâ se fost zesclarar liquideu për qualsevol els raziuns menziunats ün Cantzeléir fost removat. L’Escrigut fost estarë auþorisat på becomînd üna 3/5 votâ maxhorità és aghlôrc presentat àl dûceu parti aplicavál par ops del Maestro.

El Maestro
Articál 11. El Maestro fost estarë el dûceu maxhorità în la Cámerâ Corporadatïu. O (eda A) fost tirë el pëvarë emestar proclamaziuns se tienent la forziun da legeu. Acestilor proclamaziuns povent estarë apialadâs eda amendadâs så legeux reguláes.

Articál 12. Ün Maestro noveu fost estarë çoiçat iñentîmp da üna resoluziun aprovadâ da üna maxhorità dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu, más üna resoluziun electînd ün Maestro noveu eda aduncînd el Maestro corentic în ôifisch fost estarë aprovadâ par ops dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu à mhïus viens fäts în stanceâ cadascù dal Cosâ naziunál. L’urdëri prüm d’afár da Cámerâ Corporadatïu cadascù aßembladâ nouamînt serà electar ün Maestro noveu da dîn ça mîmbreux.

Il Viceré
Articál 13. El Viceré, eda Vice-regeu (eda Vice-rexhinâ), isch el representanteu del Regeu da Talossa, és come tál, fost tirë impidamáintsch pëvarë over toct legeux dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu. El Viceré isch apîntat del Regeu d’ospréi à Legeu Orgänic. Quând që el Regeu pût apîntar ün Viceré, ça isch la preferençù dels citaxhiêns dal Provînçù da Benito që el Viceré isch ün citaxhiên dal Provînçù për à mhïus viens år priél apîntamáintsch.

El Noval Representanteu
Articál 14. Benito se zelegäts àl Senäts fost estarë conheçats da dîn la Provînçù så «El Noval Representanteu» és scriut «Senatôr». El Noval Representanteu fost estarë selectat d’ospréi à Legeu Orgänic.

Distribaziun da Pëvarë
Articál 15. Svo àð conflict d’întereçù non paßadra, eda që individuál non prîndadra over la Provînçù în atentat infest, se non pût holdar pü që viens dels ôifischen da Maestro, Viceré, eda Noval Representanteu simultánamînt.

Xhusticâ
Articál 16. El Cort pü Înalt fost tirë juristçál urixhinál provar toct i cauçâs ariçînds sub legeu Beniton.

Articál 17. La Provînçù da Benito reserva el drept figurar ün süstêm xhusticâ recontrar ça bisogñheux d’ospréi à Legeu Orgänic.

Amendamáintschen
Articál 18. Acest Constituziun pût estarë alteiradâ da üna resoluziun dal Cámerâ Corporadatïu, se fost estarë aprovadâ da ün referendüm dels popuis attainînd el favoûr da 3/5 da se se votar és zesclarat del Viceré.

[EM Vürinalt]

Nov 6, 2008 16:47:40 GMT -6 Flip Molinar said:

Great work. However, citizens should be able petition to recall an MCC for breaking their manifesto.

I think this is an interesting idea but not applicable, seeing as though our politicians are not elected by the citizenry, but rather by the party. At this point in time, I believe such a measure is unneeded because of this. I admire the inclusion of the citizenry in this, but I just don't see how they can plead to overturn a revocation of political office if the said politician is not elected by them.

I applaud S:reu Asmourescu for not making this a party leader decision and rather including the members of the Corporative Chamber- it is a great step in the right direction.

Perhaps we can give the Viceré the ability to override this instead?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

I happened to be passing by, and thought I could suggest something: you give the Viceré veto power, but the Chamber has no way to overturn it. That may be a bit extreme.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

MV - Check your word order on some of those sentences. Also, the infinite CANNOT be used to show purpose by itself, throw an "à" in there for me

[Deleted]

I am concerned when it comes to giving people the right to remove a member of the CC, besides, I don't think we have the citizenry to support it. I am in agreement with Mataiwos...

Regarding Alexander's suggestion, that sounds great, I was unsure if we could override a Cunstuval's veto Organically..

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

There are two schools of thought about Cunstaval power, and provinces have taken different paths. Some argue for a literal interpretation, in which the Cunstaval is taken to be the King's representative and wield only those powers the King himself possesses, which are very minimal within a province. Others feel that the OrgLaw clause about the Cunstaval's powers should be interpreted metaphorically, in which the Cunstaval is given analogous powers to the King on a provincial level. But I think all would agree that either interpretation allows for restrictions of whatever power the Cunstaval does have, extending to at a minimum the same restrictions endured by the King (2/3 overturns his veto).