MC's for the 38th Cosâ.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Be aware, of course , that the next person is not required to follow MC Molinar's actions.

[Breneir Itravilatx]

One can only hope that you as SoS and any future MC that encounters a similar situation take heed of this important precedent. Perhaps it will become a tradition.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Maybe if it is such great concern , MC Tzaracomprada, you should draft an Amendment that would address this situation?

If it happens many times, it's tradition. If it happens once, it's a fluke.

If there is a guideline that is in place ahead of time, then this conversation is moot, no?

[Breneir Itravilatx]

Oh you, you and your profane logic.

[Hooligan]

I understand arguments on both sides, and just to make another one for consideration, it should be noted that when a person leaves a political party, it is almost always due to a difference between the principles on which the person believed the party was to stand, and the principles on which he finds it standing at the time he departs. This directly translates to the belief that such a person is not alone -- among the voters and constituents of the party who voted for that party at the last election -- in feeling this way. This means that to return the seats to the party for redistribution would be to improperly represent the persons who voted for the seats in the belief that they would be held by someone who holds similar political thoughts and positions to theirs.

Here is a fairly recent example:

When a number of MC's who held seats in the 36th Cosa that were won and distributed by the Conservative Loyalist Party (CLP) found that their party was advocating consideration of changes to the Organic Law that would fundamentally alter the form of our Kingdom and its government, moving away from the hereditary monarchy and to an elected monarchy of sorts, these MC's felt the need to leave the CLP. Knowing that a great many CLP voters also felt the same way about this movement of the party leadership, these MC's did not relinquish their seats back to the CLP, as they believed that allowing the seats to be redistributed, to members who would support a party program that was new and unpopular with those who had voted for the party at the last election, would not be the proper representation of those citizens.

After all, in Flip's case, correct me if I'm wrong (I'm not), but his own vote for the KFC in the last election provided at least one (probably more like three) of the seats that he held. Now that he has given those seats back for reassignment by a party that he no longer backs, this actually means that he has intentionally decided to be a misrepresented voter! :-)

I continue to believe that the choice should and must (as our Organic Law allows) be left to the individual holder of the seats.

Hooligan

[Breneir Itravilatx]

I never heard Flip say that he disagreed with the principles of the LRT. Upon speaking with him and urging him to reconsider as he was a candidate for party leadership after all and the party was and is on the path to reiterating its commitment to its original principles, he said that the elections were taking too long. This is not a difference of principle it is of procedure. Therefore, Senescal, I disagree with your characterization of the situation and I came to the conclusion that Flip's move was out of other considerations which I hesitate to speculate on again.

As I think I have demonstrated I will work hard to make sure that the vote share that the LRT (or for that matter the CCCP, RUMP, CRO, or DPD) earned in the previous election is honored until the next election. Party members who are allocated seats are given those seats under the assumption that they are loyal and capable actors in the effort to further the mission of the party within the overarching goal of bettering Talossa. The key word in the preceding sentence is given, they are not given permanently to do as they wish as they are of the party which the Talossan people voted to support.

An amendment proposal or a cort case challenging the "tradition" that electoral authorities have referenced will be forthcoming.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Ok, Y'all.

Kindly take this wonderful discussion out of the Chambers of the Ziu and over to the Cafeteria . Or even the Hopper, or Witt.

Thanks!

[Hooligan]

I did not mean in any way to characterise Flip's particular situation. I have no clue (honestly, none whatsoever, and I truly don't have any interest in knowing or need to know) why Flip may have left the KFC. I was simply providing support for the rationale that the holder of Cosa seats, once granted to him (or her), should be allowed the freedom of conscience to determine what should be done with them. Flip was allowed this, and made his decision.

My apologies, S:reu Tzaracomprada, if you felt that I was in any way (and I admit I worried about this) insinuating anything at all about the situation that sparked this discussion. I honestly was not. I was just saying that to force an MC to abandon seats when leaving a party would be a bad precedent to set, and a worse mandate to establish, and I stand by this opinion.

My best,
Hooligan

[Xhorxh Asmour]

S:reu Molinar did not contact me in advance, but I totally recognize his right and his private choice to give his five seats back to the LRT.

Although there is no law (so far) forcing him to do so and I personally disagree with the LRT about the issue, I consider his move a very decent one and thoroughly support it.

We deeply respect the LRT (and all the other parties as well) and do not want any hard feelings to exist between our parties.

Well done, Flip! We're proud of you!

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

I have altered the MC page to reflect the proposed parties.