What If.... ?

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

mbenzschawel said:

Seeming as though this problem needs to be resolved, I think there should be something done about it. I'm sure that's in everybody's minds - making and passing a bill about the extent of political lobbying, specifically for prospective citizens.

Perhaps I could help with this due to the fact that I seem to be one of the few victims of it.

None of this was your fault, don't worry. You didn't know. And in fact, there was no law broken, only a very solid tradition. It is a little unusual to have an opposition party whose combined period of citizenship is something like 200 days total, which is why this has not needed to be enshrined in law prior to this. But the RUMP has already composed legislation on the issue and submitted it to the Hopper for review and consideration, prior to enactment.

tonyweckstrom said:

As the party member, leader and Ambassador of Talossa, I would like to point out my personal view in this matter.

I agree with the Honourable Éovart Caçeir, that a parliamentary monarchy does simply LIMIT the powers of the King, and NOT ABOLISH the the "Kingdom" itself.

It also the view of DPD, that the Kingdom shall remain, but the system of Government should be based on a monarchy dependent on parliamentarism.

Er... swell. As a member of Talossa's parliament myself, I am in favor of parliamentarism.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

It also the view of DPD, that the Kingdom shall remain, but the system of Government should be based on a monarchy dependent on parliamentarism.

Tony...I'm not quite sure that you understand...we have a King and a Parliament. I'm not exactly sure what you want.

[Flip Molinar]

For me personally, I would not be here today if the king had any power over the people which could not be checked by the rest of the populace. That is how it works, the king is prevented from being a tyrant by law, as parliament is the dominant force.

[Mr. Tony Weckström]

Of course I understand that?!

Do you take me for a fool, or something?!

alexandreu said:

It also the view of DPD, that the Kingdom shall remain, but the system of Government should be based on a monarchy dependent on parliamentarism.

Tony...I'm not quite sure that you understand...we have a King and a Parliament. I'm not exactly sure what you want.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

tonyweckstrom said:

Of course I understand that?!

Do you take me for a fool, or something?!

alexandreu said:

Tony...I'm not quite sure that you understand...we have a King and a Parliament. I'm not exactly sure what you want.

Of course not, we just don't quite understand why you're pushing this "Parliamentarianism" so hard...like we don't already have it.

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owenfsf said:

Viteu, I do take some objection to you responding to my post about SOMETHING DIFFERENT to accuse my party - in as much as I was speaking - of avoiding the issue. Recruitment is not my purview - I was asking Xhorxh for a further affirmation that he was not directly indicting the LRT over the broadness of his post.

Again, there are issues involving pots, kettles and black here. I am entirely unsure as to why it is being deemed acceptable for RUMP members to engage in mudslinging - in this case, Viteu - but the LRT is being branded as practicing "dirty politics".

I heartily concur with S:reu Caceir and Captain Preston and call for something of a moratorium on the current merry go round.

And where exactly have I thrown Mud? the LRT has been confirmed as lobbying applicants against Ministry policy. The LRT is now trying to bring other parties (naming those which they are now backpeddleing on) to do exactly what you're doing: well if you can do it so can I... Or rather, the LRT is saying, two wrongs make a right.

As far as mudslinging, how exactly do you expect me to respond when the LRT continiously attacks both me, the Ministry of Immigration, and continues to show contempt for the system, the trust, and make false accusations against me? But, I understand, I am at fault for defending myself. I just do not understand why you claim I am throwing mud when I am merely sticking to the facts. The LRT is engaging in dirty politics, the CCCP has not attacked me, the LRT has, or whatever Breneir's (no matter how much he continues to deny it) personal vendetta is against me and the idea of keeping the immigration process apolitical. Once you grasp this fact, you'll get it.

[EM Vürinalt]

S:reu Toctviac'htéir, I have just sent you the screenshot of the alleged CCCP lobbying charges thus providing evidence to prove that.

I ask everybody else:
Please, let's not make this a party vs. party ordeal. I don't believe that this should become an argument for argument's sake because it's making no one, nor any party look good. Now, I believe that in order to conduct a complete and thorough investigation, we should look at all the prospective citizens which were granted citizenship within the last month or two.

S:reu Caçeir had told me that Dreu was his TA, perhaps leading him to choose LRT? I don't know that, but I believe an investigation should be conducted to ensure that that wasn't the case.

Thus, I propose that somebody look into political lobbying for prospective citizens such as myself, S:reu Caçeir, and S:reu Mungai among others to ensure that this action was not limited to specifically myself.

Another question I pose - how is there a way to enforce this? We will simply be relying on word of mouth by the citizens and the TAs because we cannot read PMs or emails. This is not the United Soviet Socialist Republic of Talossa (although that may be interesting... ;D).

~Vürinalt~

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Please read the bill in the Hopper, S:reu Vurinalt. The RUMP is taking action on the matter... that's what we do. We get things done.

[EM Vürinalt]

agbdavis said:

Please read the bill in the Hopper, S:reu Vurinalt. The RUMP is taking action on the matter... that's what we do. We get things done.

Yeah, I read that right after I posted. Probably should have read it before I posted. But I read it nonetheless.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

No harm done

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

mbenzschawel said:

S:reu Caçeir had told me that Dreu was his TA, perhaps leading him to choose LRT? I don't know that, but I believe an investigation should be conducted to ensure that that wasn't the case.

This DID NOT HAPPEN I am on strict orders not to do this, and have never recruited a TA.

[EM Vürinalt]

alexandreu said:

mbenzschawel said:

S:reu Caçeir had told me that Dreu was his TA, perhaps leading him to choose LRT? I don't know that, but I believe an investigation should be conducted to ensure that that wasn't the case.

This DID NOT HAPPEN I am on strict orders not to do this, and have never recruited a TA.

Okay, it was hypothetical. No need to get heated Dréu.

[Owen Edwards]

vitooliver said:

owenfsf said:

Xhorxh, you must understand why this thread looks like a direct attack, at least in part, on the LRT and its members. If that is what the intention was, the thread is frankly childish.

Of course, I am sure that it was not, and seek another assurance it was not.

I have addressed and noted the lack of reply by the LRT for their public accusation against the CCCP.

Viteu, see abovementioned. You tried to use my post to Xhorxh to indict the LRT on the separate issue - NOT RAISED BY ME - of alleged CCCP recruitment.

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owenfsf said:

vitooliver said:

I have addressed and noted the lack of reply by the LRT for their public accusation against the CCCP.

Viteu, see abovementioned. You tried to use my post to Xhorxh to indict the LRT on the separate issue - NOT RAISED BY ME - of alleged CCCP recruitment.

It was the topic being discussed, you made the choice to attempt to defend your party, and are now astonished when a point is made that your own party leader has not responded to an inquiry by the Ministry of Immigration. Seems to me you want to pick and choose.

[Owen Edwards]

Viteu, you seem to be expecting to speak in lieu of someone else. Damn right I'm picking and choosing - the issue you were pursuing had nothing to do with Xhorxh's original post or my response.

Forgive me for becoming exasperated, but this is ludicrous.