Fiôvân Senatorial Race 2013

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

I will stand for re-election, seeing that my term was much shorter than a standard senatorial term. I will not promise to do anything more than I have done this past term: Voting on every clark, trying to be a tool for a moderate republican, responsibly progressive agenda.

[Glüc da Dhi]

I think only vuode, ataturk, cezembre and florencia are electing a new senator this time.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

Really? I have a very strong recollection of being told that the first Senatorial term for Fiôvâ would be unnaturally short, just until the next General Election.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

I remember the same. After the foundation of Fiôvâ, we were allowed to elect a Senator, but only for half a term, for reasons that I have forgotten.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

The listing of when Provinces are to hold Senate elections can be found Here:

www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Senate

The good Senator stood for election in the July Election:

talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=6760&page=1

Initially, the Senator was appointed to a short term, due to the Fiova becoming a Province in the middle of the 43rd term of the Cosa. This was done so Fiova could have representation during the 43rd Cosa.

In the General Election held in July, Senator Bêneditschsëfiglheu was elected to a 2 Cosa term.

( edit: Term of current Senator )

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

In that case I shall demonstrate my ethics by withdrawing from this race. Thank you for listening!

[Istefan Perþonest]

Except, as I understood, the constitutional portion of 43RZ25 – The Take Me to the River Omnibus Act means Fiova's senator is supposed to be up for election the general election following enactment of the amendment.

There was a not-part-of-the-official-text rotation schedule for if the thing came in effect for the election to the 44th Cosa, but since the ratification didn't complete until after the election for the 44th was over, instead Fiova's official entry into the election rotation starts with the election with the 45th, with Vuode and Ataturk, while Cezembre's doesn't come up for election until the 46th Cosa (with Florencia and Maricopa).

There was a Fiovan senator elected along with the 44th, but that was to fill the term whose end would be determined by Take Me to the River.

At least if I'm remembering right.

(Dammit, I know there was a discussion of this at some point on Witt, I just can't find it . . .)

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Feb 4, 2013 8:43:14 GMT -6 Istefan Perþonest said:

Except, as I understood, the constitutional portion of 43RZ25 – The Take Me to the River Omnibus Act means Fiova's senator is supposed to be up for election the general election following enactment of the amendment.

There was a not-part-of-the-official-text rotation schedule for if the thing came in effect for the election to the 44th Cosa, but since the ratification didn't complete until after the election for the 44th was over, instead Fiova's official entry into the election rotation starts with the election with the 45th, with Vuode and Ataturk, while Cezembre's doesn't come up for election until the 46th Cosa (with Florencia and Maricopa).

There was a Fiovan senator elected along with the 44th, but that was to fill the term whose end would be determined by Take Me to the River.

At least if I'm remembering right.

(Dammit, I know there was a discussion of this at some point on Witt, I just can't find it . . .)

This is the table that was part of the "Take me to the River" Act

ELECTED WITH THE... SENATORS FOR...
44th Cosa Fiova, Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Benito
45th Cosa Vuode, Ataturk, Cézembre
46th Cosa Florencia, Maricopa, Fiova
47th Cosa Maritiimi-Maxhestic, Benito, Vuode
48th Cosa Ataturk, Cézembre, Florencia
49th Cosa Maricopa, Fiova, Maritiimi-Maxhestic
50th Cosa Benito, Vuode, Ataturk
51th Cosa Cézembre, Florencia, Maricopa


The link to the Act can be found ...uh... linked here:

talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ziu&action=display&thread=6489&page=1

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

OK, so it is in fact a shorter-than-usual term, but it doesn't end now but with the next GE.

[Istefan Perþonest]

Yes, that was the table that was included with the act. The difficulty arises with the sentence in italics and brackets immediately before the table.

Hool's version in the Hopper thread says "presuming this amendment is ratified prior to, or coincident with, elections to the 44th Cosa, the repeating cycle shall be:", while the version posted by Litz in the same thread has the wording that wound up in the Clark, "assuming this omnibus comes into force for elections to the 44th Cosa".

If everybody's happy with just following the table (assuming the latter text is supposed to be equivalent of Hool's), I'm fine with that, I just have this nagging feeling that there was a discussion about the difference somewhere on Witt that explains why Ian and I both expected Fiova to be electing a Senator this election.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Feb 4, 2013 12:16:35 GMT -6 Istefan Perþonest said:

Yes, that was the table that was included with the act. The difficulty arises with the sentence in italics and brackets immediately before the table.

Hool's version in the Hopper thread says "presuming this amendment is ratified prior to, or coincident with, elections to the 44th Cosa, the repeating cycle shall be:", while the version posted by Litz in the same thread has the wording that wound up in the Clark, "assuming this omnibus comes into force for elections to the 44th Cosa".

If everybody's happy with just following the table (assuming the latter text is supposed to be equivalent of Hool's), I'm fine with that, I just have this nagging feeling that there was a discussion about the difference somewhere on Witt that explains why Ian and I both expected Fiova to be electing a Senator this election.

www.kingdomoftalossa.net/clark/201205C436.doc

" [As a practical concern, assuming this omnibus comes into force for elections to the 44th Cosa, the following will be the fixed rotation cycle.] "- which it did.

I took that statement and table from the actual Clark email. That would be the version that everyone voted on, and no objection was made once the Bill was passed.

To me, that means that the timeline presented in that table is the one that should be followed.

[Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN]

Yes, I understood as well there was to be no Fiôvan senatorial election this term.

[Sir C. M. Siervicül]

I interpreted it the same way that Ian and Istefan did, and said so during the election. Istefan voiced the same understanding back then, too.

The table in the bill is explicitly hypothetical (i.e. based on an assumption -- "assuming") rather than definite, and the assumption on which it rests is contradicted by the other circumstances of the bill's passage. Fiova was introduced into the normal election rotation by section 3 of 43RZ25. The language introducing section 3 plainly states when section 3 goes into effect: "upon the ratification of the amendment to Organic Law proposed by Section 2 of this Act." The amendment could not be ratified until it was approved by a popular referendum and promulgated by the King. And that did not happen until after the 44th general election was completed.