NOGOD opposes "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter"

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

The National Organization for Good Objective Development opposes the CeR's recently proposed "My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter Amendment," and while we respect and like the inestimable Eldsfäts Blasiüs, we call for the immediate condemnation and repudiation of this amendment by all legislators. It endorses an established religion by the state, which is in contravention of the right of free worship enjoyed by all Talossans. NOGOD requests that all legislators oppose this bill, and if they fail to do so, NOGOD requests that His Majesty veto it.

[Alèx Soleighlfred]

The TAA immediately joins NOGOD in this opposition!

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

As a Roman Catholic, I mick S:reu Davinescu's request.

[Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM.]

I support both the Alexandreu on this count !

... and UC to Uc's response

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

If that Amendment passes, I will renounce my Citizenship the very next day.

[Eldsfäts Blasiüs]

Jul 18, 2012 6:44:55 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

If that Amendment passes, I will renounce my Citizenship the very next day.

In fairness, I see the chances of the Amendment passing as somewhere between "Eldsfats becoming slim and sexy" and "Snow found on the sun".

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Jul 18, 2012 6:59:55 GMT -6 Eldsfäts Blasiüs said:

In fairness, I see the chances of the Amendment passing as somewhere between "Eldsfats becoming slim and sexy" and "Snow found on the sun".

;D

[Eðo Grischun]

I see the chances of the Amendment passing as somewhere between "Eldsfats becoming slim and sexy

Hey, you got to have a little faith!

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Jul 18, 2012 6:59:55 GMT -6 Eldsfäts Blasiüs said:

Jul 18, 2012 6:44:55 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

If that Amendment passes, I will renounce my Citizenship the very next day.

In fairness, I see the chances of the Amendment passing as somewhere between "Eldsfats becoming slim and sexy" and "Snow found on the sun".

( chuckles)

[King John]

Jul 18, 2012 6:44:55 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

If that Amendment passes, I will renounce my Citizenship the very next day.

Suppose (against all probability) this Amendment were to pass, and be ratified, and for some reason the King promulgated it. Then you might have some concept of how uncomfortable it is for *many* of us to live with the Organic Law's enshrinement of a "right" to abortion.

My general opinion has always been that it's a bad thing for Talossa (when we can avoid it) to take sides in ongoing culture wars, since doing so only alienates potential and current citizens from the nation, and gets us all pissed off at each other.

— John R

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Jul 18, 2012 9:11:41 GMT -6 King John said:

Jul 18, 2012 6:44:55 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

If that Amendment passes, I will renounce my Citizenship the very next day.

Suppose (against all probability) this Amendment were to pass, and be ratified, and for some reason the King promulgated it. Then you might have some concept of how uncomfortable it is for *many* of us to live with the Organic Law's enshrinement of a "right" to abortion.

My general opinion has always been that it's a bad thing for Talossa (when we can avoid it) to take sides in ongoing culture wars, since doing so only alienates potential and current citizens from the nation, and gets us all pissed off at each other.

— John R

I understand your position. I also think that if a citizen found something so unpalatable that it was making them uncomfortable to remain a Citizen, you would also respect their desire to renounce.

[Hooligan]

Jul 18, 2012 9:11:41 GMT -6 King John said:

Suppose (against all probability) this Amendment were to pass, and be ratified, and for some reason the King promulgated it. Then you might have some concept of how uncomfortable it is for *many* of us to live with the Organic Law's enshrinement of a "right" to abortion.

Hear, hear! Just as some people are sure that people might be turned off by becoming citizens of a nation that has the Jewish Carpenter in its Organic Law, I know for a fact that a great many people choose to walk on when they see that Talossa's Organic Law declares what they (and I) consider to be infanticide to be an Organically protected right. The fact that I and others chose not to walk on but to hope for change is the only reason a great many Talossans are here.

I don't want to get into a debate on the subject at all; I am only backing up what the King said, that I consider getting Talossa's Organic Law competely out of these businesses to be right and good.

Hool

[Üc R. Tärfâ]

Jul 18, 2012 9:28:34 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

I am only backing up what the King said, that I consider getting Talossa's Organic Law competely out of these businesses to be right and good.

Well I'm not backing up what His Majesty said: there aren't "businesses", they're two different things because, one thing allows someone to choose or not choose to act (you may or may not have an abortion); the other one imposes on everyone what someone "choose" to believe (because if you're citizen you''d have to acknowledge Jesus to be your King). Unless we look at them from that point of view which I personally reject to be proper of statesmen.

[Hooligan]

The king didn't equate them on that level. He said they are both extremely controversial cultural topics, and for that reason, should not be in the Organic Law.

I agree with him.

Neither one allows someone to choose, though.

One says "if you're a citizen, you have to acknowledge Jesus as a King."

The other says "if you're a citizen, you have to acknowledge that it's a "right" to kill a living fetus, with a beating human heart."

So they are both "have to acknowledge"s that a great mass of people (potential subjects of His Majesty) would not wish to do.

Hool

[Owen Edwards]

Jul 18, 2012 9:38:34 GMT -6 Üc R. Tärfâ said:

Well I'm not backing up what His Majesty said: there aren't "businesses", they're two different things because, one thing allows someone to choose or not choose to act (you may or may not have an abortion); the other one imposes on everyone what someone "choose" to believe (because if you're citizen you''d have to acknowledge Jesus to be your King). Unless we look at them from that point of view which I personally reject to be proper of statesmen.

You might be right that they're two different things, but that doesn't make the Organic "right" to abortion any less unpalatable. Presumably the liberals here would be terribly uncomfortable if there was an Organic "right" to any sort of murder that they recognized as murder. Perhaps I should post an Amendment legalizing the murder of those who wear salmon shirts or who support the White Sox or who are from Italy, and we'll see how people feel.

This is, as the King says, precisely the reason the OrgLaw should, where it can, stay away from culture war issues.

(But as I've said elsewhere, naming Jesus as King isn't a culture war issue, because it's simply about naming him King, not naming Him King of Kings...)