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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Mar 15, 2012 0:14:14 GMT -6
I want to inform that I am as well a bit Derivatist, therefore MRPT may be described as such. In my humble opinion, the whole idea of a micronation is slightly derivatist or maybe modelist, by definition. As for assigning the new citizen, i suppose a derivatist would say: make them assigned geographically, but let them free change their place of assignment when they have such intention.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 15, 2012 5:16:08 GMT -6
I want to inform that I am as well a bit Derivatist, therefore MRPT may be described as such. In my humble opinion, the whole idea of a micronation is slightly derivatist or maybe modelist, by definition. As for assigning the new citizen, i suppose a derivatist would say: make them assigned geographically, but let them free change their place of assignment when they have such intention. As for micronations being derivatist / modelist by nature, I dare to doubt. As we're not tied to a piece of land and as we don't have to try to travel around with a passport of a nation of less than 100, we can feel free to use our phantasy, and we may want to create our own utopia. ¡Peculiarismo y Suerte!
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Post by Alèx Soleighlfred on Mar 15, 2012 9:37:55 GMT -6
As for micronations being derivatist / modelist by nature, I dare to doubt. Well, with saying that I've exclusively meant that the mere idea of a micronation was born in attempts to simulate the real nation and therefore act accordingly to how the real nation acts and functions. That's the derivatism of a micronation. Of course there are differences between the real and imaginary, causing the birth of the peculiarist ideas. The only issue is either the one's orientation is to stick to the simulating or going the other way. The trick is I was always following the original "be micronation as close as possible to the real nation" idea.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 15, 2012 15:20:07 GMT -6
As for micronations being derivatist / modelist by nature, I dare to doubt. Well, with saying that I've exclusively meant that the mere idea of a micronation was born in attempts to simulate the real nation and therefore act accordingly to how the real nation acts and functions. That's the derivatism of a micronation. Of course there are differences between the real and imaginary, causing the birth of the peculiarist ideas. The only issue is either the one's orientation is to stick to the simulating or going the other way. The trick is I was always following the original "be micronation as close as possible to the real nation" idea. Hm, hm. Not that I'm willing to prove you wrong or something, there is some crux with the assumption of a "mere idea of a micronation". I don't know who coined this term "micronation", but I heard it had been floating around before the foundation of Talossa. And some historical entities that our Founder listed on his webpage on micronations, such as Araucania, didn't intend to "simulate" real nations, they claimed to actually be real nations. This is just an annotation, a footnote, so to speak. Derivatism and Peculiarism seem to be terms that have been coined in Talossa, so you're probably right if you're assuming that Talossa is some kind of a precise simulation of reality, from the derivatist point of view. Whereas at least some old school derivatists of the Rouergue era may be groaning in their exiles now.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Mar 15, 2012 15:21:40 GMT -6
Im not sure how many derivatists would speak of Talossa as a micronation.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 15, 2012 15:26:03 GMT -6
I'm a derivatist and I totally regard Talossa as a micronation, defined as a nation smaller than San Marino. Of course, I also recognize - for example - entities like Septempontia, Héalie and other "Talossa-like entities" to be micronations.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 15, 2012 15:27:17 GMT -6
Im not sure how many derivatists would speak of Talossa as a micronation. Peculiarists prefer to say nationette anyway.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 15, 2012 15:30:21 GMT -6
The word is identical in our national language - naziunetâ.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Mar 15, 2012 15:32:57 GMT -6
Im not sure how many derivatists would speak of Talossa as a micronation. Well, it is one. That stupid Benism ("OMG! How dare they call themselves the same thing as us - we must quickly change our designation!") never took on me. It was just part of the man's chauvinism and arrogance. If it walks and quacks like a micronation, it is a micronation.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Mar 15, 2012 15:50:59 GMT -6
Makes sense.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 15, 2012 15:51:37 GMT -6
As micronation is a somewhat fuzzy term, it's quacking fuzzy, then.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 15, 2012 17:06:43 GMT -6
Anyway: excellent to see the formation of the CSPP. Now I only need to ask them what their differences are with the programme of the Moderate Radicals.
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 15, 2012 22:57:20 GMT -6
Anyway: excellent to see the formation of the CSPP. Now I only need to ask them what their differences are with the programme of the Moderate Radicals. Hey! Why don't you ask some of the parties what their difference is with RUMP? We wouldn't mind them merging with us! :-) (( Hool ))
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 16, 2012 0:17:16 GMT -6
You're the establishment. That's good enough reason to merge with you, or not to merge with you, depending on taste. The hidden agenda is that I want to build a real Opposition in Talossa - an alternative government, if you will - and if we find out what all the parties have in common and their differences then we can decide what its platform can be.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Mar 16, 2012 5:08:33 GMT -6
Change the world, start with youself . What is the reason the ZRT is seperate from the CSPP? or the APT?
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