King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Mar 25, 2008 8:30:38 GMT -6
OK, the fact is that some people who post on an Internet forum (like Wittenberg) don't want just *anyone* to be able to see what they're doing. So, maybe the Immigration Ministry should ask (as part of the initial questionnaire) something like "Is it OK with you if your real name appears unscrambled on Wittenberg (which is a publicly readable Internet forum)?" If the guy says No, then we can do like so:
Name: nhoJ yellooW City: lainnetneC, odaroloC
and the information is right there for all of us to see, and no search engine in the world is going to list me.
Is this a reasonable plan? If so, it wouldn't need any legislation to implement; just some care when we're posting here.
— John R
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 8:46:59 GMT -6
How about this. Also not requiring legislation. Let's say you want to become a citizen but don't want to pop up on google. All righty...we can write it backwards, that would definitely work, or we can make it even easier.
T)(imothy) O)(livieri)
We can read it without a mirror and the parenthesis should prevent it being picked up by Google.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 25, 2008 14:49:31 GMT -6
It's perfectly possible to add this as a MinImm procedural, though the issue of "why should we be so private?" still comes up.
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EM Vürinalt
Citizen since 12-20-2007
Parletz, am?c, en entrez
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Mar 27, 2008 6:55:00 GMT -6
It's perfectly possible to add this as a MinImm procedural, though the issue of "why should we be so private?" still comes up. I'm not a worse case senario guy. At all. But recently one of my friends was victemised online and it kind of struck me at how readily availiable personal information is. In my Immigration thread, for example, lists "Anywhere, USA" so if anybody wanted to find "Joe Smith from Anywhere, USA" all you need to do is get a phonebook. There are creepy people in the world and I find it very disheartening that Talossa doesn't feel the same. This is a sitiuation we want to aviod, and this is what my legislation attempts to do.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 27, 2008 7:21:24 GMT -6
I think that an "opt in" policy for each new immigrant might be optimal.
When they fill out thier form, they can decided at that time of they want certain information made public. If they have no qualms about letting the rest of the Kingdom know their full name (or parts of it) and what city, state, etc - then fine, it gets posted. If not, then the need to be made aware that the Immigration Minster, the SoS, the Website (KoT.net) guys, and other individuals WILL need some of that information. (If they ever want the SoS to mail them a Ballot, then they HAVE to share more).
I feel that this is adequate.
Personally, I'm not real thrilled with people taking on Talossan Names before they become Citizens. I feel they people need to earn that privilage. To me, it cheapens the whole concept if a stanger applies and is instantly given a tag that says "Hi! My Name is Meiztriz " Plus, it becomes increasingly difficult for the SoS to track new Immigrants, to figure out when they pass certain milestones.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 27, 2008 8:21:47 GMT -6
Talossa could use some information law, like the Privacy Act and Freedom of Information Act in the U.S.
I agree with your sentiment about pre-citizenship Talossan names. Talossan names have mostly been a privilege of citizenship, and maybe that's how it should stay. Approving a Talossan name says "you're one of us." But we can't have immigrants electing not to let the rest of the Kingdom know their name. We can't evaluate anonymous immigrants.
Maybe once a prospective becomes a citizen and takes a Talossan name, we could go back and replace their non-Talossan name in the immigration thread (their non-Talossan name would thereafter only be available in the Talossan names subforum, which is not publicly accessible). Or we could mask non-Talossan names along the lines of what King John and Capt Asmourescu have suggested. Or we could move completed immigration threads to a non-public (registered users only) subforum of the immigration forum, like the Talossan names subforum.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 27, 2008 8:25:46 GMT -6
" But we can't have immigrants electing not to let the rest of the Kingdom know their name. We can't evaluate anonymous immigrants."
True- It would be pretty tough if every new Immigrant was named "Joe".
What if the whole Immigration thread was visible to only registered users?
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 27, 2008 8:37:15 GMT -6
What if the whole Immigration thread was visible to only registered users? That's worth considering.
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Flip Molinar
Talossan since 1-1-2008
Proud Talossan
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Post by Flip Molinar on Mar 27, 2008 10:40:52 GMT -6
What if the whole Immigration thread was visible to only registered users? That's worth considering. And worth doing...Any objections to this idea?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 27, 2008 12:12:01 GMT -6
I mentioned this a bit earlier. Just make the Immigration forum a subforum of the main Witt, and make it like the Talossan Names forum - visible only to registered users. It seems like it would address everyone's concerns, while still giving us full access to prospective information.
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Brad Holmes
Cunstaval to Maritiimi-Maxhestic
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Post by Brad Holmes on Mar 27, 2008 12:51:11 GMT -6
Restricting access to the Immigration Board sounds plenty logical and reasonable to me.
I probably fall into the "paranoid" category, but the learning process of a Navy school I attended last fall really makes me think twice about identifying information on the interweb.
But at the same time, it's nice for citizens to be able to research prospectives. More than once since I've been here, there have been some extremely shady types applying for citizenship. It may be the MinImm's job to QA the prospectives, but having citizens able to back him up is not a bad thing.
So let's keep names, age, and city/state/country visible to citizens. At the very least, it lets everyone know whom lives close to whom and create friendships.
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EM Vürinalt
Citizen since 12-20-2007
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Mar 27, 2008 16:30:42 GMT -6
This sounds good. I will abide by this, and I don't think legislation is needed to create this change. However, if it is, I would be glad to draft it.
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King John
King of Talossa
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Knight Since: 11-30-2005
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Post by King John on Mar 27, 2008 21:36:30 GMT -6
OK, I *think* I've got the Immigration Board working so that only registered users can see it. In which case, the search engines WON'T be able to see it, and we can all rest easier.
— Your Witt Admin Dude
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
Posts: 9,636
Talossan Since: 8-13-2005
Knight Since: 7-28-2007
Motto: Nonnisi Deo serviendum
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 28, 2008 7:35:16 GMT -6
OK, I *think* I've got the Immigration Board working so that only registered users can see it. In which case, the search engines WON'T be able to see it, and we can all rest easier. Seems to be working. Thanks!
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Mar 28, 2008 7:56:39 GMT -6
And yet... when I type my name into google, I still see it? Why?
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