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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2008 21:27:35 GMT -6
::After giving Dreu a brutal thrashing he hands it back to Mick with the thanks of the people of Benito/Mussolini::
As I said. If this were all a matter of my humble opinion on the way things ought to work, I would question it more readily. However, as King John has no vested interest in the outcome of our naming issue, and his recommendation is a whole lot easier and he's qualified to dispense the advice....
I'm inclined to go that route. What do my fellow citizens of Benito/Mussolini think?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 25, 2008 23:07:47 GMT -6
If this law passes (without the actually changes to the law), I will seriously consider taking this up in cort. Well, as it stands, that will take a bloody long time. In that first, we do not have a Chancellor of the Bar , nor anyone currently Members of the Royal Talossan Bar, who are licensed to practice law in the Kingdom of Talossa...
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 26, 2008 2:34:39 GMT -6
His Majesty's recommendation does not appear to be inorganic, Lt. Davis. Simply put because it does not really amend anything. It merely states that the name, but not the identity of Mussolini is changed. The difference between the example of writing your own law on immigration and having it change everything as needed is the following: The move to change the name of Mussolini was brought about by a Provincial resolution passed by the Corporative Chamber of Mussolini. Within the Province, the change has already occurred and is law. The bill proposed merely needs to achieve national approval and direct the Witt Administrator to change the name of our boards, as well as applicable changes on the website. By stating that Benito is Mussolini and Mussolini is Benito we are simply saying that wherever "Mussolini" is written in the Statutory Law or Organic Law, it applies to Benito, because though the name has changed, the identity of the province is still the same. Essentially, it is like us saying "I legally changed my name to Chaim Bobowitz, but my social security number is the same." If we have a statutory law on the books that states that Mussolini is now known as Benito, there really is no need to change the Organic Law. The bill would not conflict with the Organic Law in any way, so what's the problem? And lastly, though King John did resign from the Bar upon ascending the throne, I imagine his expertise is intact, so I do consider this legal advice, not simply "deciding which interpretation I like better" Very good points, although I confess I continue to be uncomfortable with the idea of any kind of corner-cutting on the matter of amending the OrgLaw. If the name of the province is such a little matter that it can be done with such a blanket provision, then assuredly it must also be able to wait for proper process. At the least, limit such broad gestures to statutory law.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2008 16:10:24 GMT -6
I suppose it boils down to whether we feel this is a "corner cutting" approach to amending the law or an attempt to avoid unnecessary amendments to the OrgLaw. A fine line, I suppose, as we should strive to change the law when it needs to be changed and avoid amendments that do not need to be done.
The plot thickens.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Mar 26, 2008 16:15:23 GMT -6
By my count we have made... 28 amendments to the Organic Law. Why should we not amend it more?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2008 17:03:46 GMT -6
I didn't say we should not. But if we simply amend it at every whim whether it needs to be amended or not, aren't we defeating the purpose of having the Organic Law in the first place?
Doesn't changing the thing every chance we get without a real reason kind of make it less stable?
Poop, won't you please think about the children?
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Mar 26, 2008 17:33:34 GMT -6
I agree. We shouldn't change it at any and every possible time. However... this is a PERFECT case to change it.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 26, 2008 17:48:56 GMT -6
look, no-one's sued us on hate crimes grounds YET, let's not fix us, this is just change for change's sake!
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Post by Cjara B on Mar 28, 2008 18:05:34 GMT -6
*blinks* I think I may need to slap you..... I'm willing to again as the first time didn't seem to work. Dréu darling, the less you change something, even if you can, the better, it keeps stability in the thing you’re dealing with. I know you are excited and laws and government are incredibly appealing, but as a talkative and energetic Talossan you need to learn to temper your vigor. Find a project to work towards; I hear your working on Talossan history, work towards a goal don’t quibble about the mundane it’s degrading.
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Mar 28, 2008 19:14:46 GMT -6
Aren't you REDEFINING Mussolini? Dreu, if you were to legally rename yourself.... Seymour Buttz, would that change who YOU are? Would the human formerly known as Dréu Gavárþic'h cease to exist, or would he just be renamed? Would you go back and erase Dréu Gavárþic'h on every paper you ever signed and every document you ever had that name written on, and replace it with Seymour Buttz? Or would you just start using Seymour Buttz from there on out, and change crucially important items such as drivers lisences and such? By my count we have made... 28 amendments to the Organic Law. Why should we not amend it more? That kind of thinking is.... astonishing, to say the least. If amending the OrgLaw makes more sense, then it should be done. But at the present situation, if we can avoid unneeded steps in the process of renaming a long-overdue province, then we should do so. Dréu darling, the less you change something, even if you can, the better, it keeps stability in the thing you’re dealing with. I know you are excited and laws and government are incredibly appealing, but as a talkative and energetic Talossan you need to learn to temper your vigor. Find a project to work towards; I hear your working on Talossan history, work towards a goal don’t quibble about the mundane it’s degrading. An excellent explanation to which I must agree. There's nothing more to add.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 28, 2008 19:43:12 GMT -6
Like a weekly newspaper or something....
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Mar 29, 2008 6:15:45 GMT -6
I agree with what my fellow Benitonians have said. I believe that from this point out, people refer to the province of Mussolini as the Province of Benito, and Mussolinians refered to as Benitonians.
However, in the future, we should keep the option of ammending the OrgLaw open to aviod confusion. However, the use of Benito must become common practice before such a step is made.
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Post by Bleic'h Ianescu on Apr 12, 2008 17:46:00 GMT -6
I think the matter of this discussion has moved beyond our expertise as lawmakers, and has entered a more technical realm.
I ask the Attorney General to render an opinion on what is the proper way to proceed with the most anticipated renaming of the province.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Apr 12, 2008 18:31:49 GMT -6
I'd also suggest Sir Cresti put his two pennorth in.
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Post by Flip Molinar on Apr 12, 2008 19:17:08 GMT -6
I echo you two fine gentlemen in making this request.
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