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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Mar 21, 2008 10:15:22 GMT -6
WHEREAS Minnesota is Upper Midwest or Great Lakes state like Michigan and Wisconsin, not a Great Plains/Mountain state, and WHEREAS Pennsylvania does have Great Lakes shoreline, but it's traditionally thought of as a Mid-Atlantic state alongside Maryland, New Jersey, and New York, and WHEREAS Pennsylvania's population centers are in the east, and likely Talossan citizens from PA would be able to meet with New Yorkers and Marylanders more easily than Illinoisans, and WHEREAS Mussolini's states total almost 20 million more in population than Vuode's, and this would shift a net 7 million in population which would almost balance things out, now THEREFORE we proclaim that: 1. 34RZ9 (The People To Provinces Act), section 10, be edited to read: FLORENCIA PROVINCE: Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Florencia Province: the Wisconsin counties of Florence, Douglas, Bayfield, Ashland, Iron, Vilas, Burnett, Washburn, Sawyer, Rusk, Taylor, Price, Oneida, Lincoln, Langlade, Forest, Menominee, Shawano, Marinette, Oconto, Outagamie, and Brown; and the U.S. states of Alaska, Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Nevada, Utah, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Kansas and Nebraska. 2. 34RZ9 (The People To Provinces Act), section 7, be edited to read: MUSSOLINI PROVINCE: Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Mussolini Province: the Wisconsin counties of Waukesha, Jefferson, and Dane; and the U.S. states of Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, and Ohio. Overseas, the nations of Italy, San Marino, Vatican City, Armenia, Georgia, plus all nations in Africa not listed elsewhere. 3. 34RZ0 (The People to Provinces Act), Section 8, be edited to read: VUODE PROVINCE: Talossan citizens living in the following areas shall be assigned to Vuode Province: The City of Milwaukee (WI) and the U.S. states of Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York, and Pennsylvania. Overseas, the nations of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Western Sahara, Japan, Taiwan, Indonesia, the Philippines, Singapore, Sri Lanka. Noi urent q'estadra sa Alexandreu Gavárþic'h (LRT - Vuode) Matáiwos Vürinalt (LRT - Mussolini)
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Mar 21, 2008 10:17:48 GMT -6
An Artists Conception of what the US map would look like after this change is made:
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Mar 21, 2008 10:35:28 GMT -6
IFyou feel the need to re-align provinces, why not join all the counties of Wisconsin , instead of splitting the state up?
While there was a logical reason for doing so 29 years ago, do you think that in today's world that might need to be adjusted?
The counties in Florencia that are in Wisconsin are quite a bit closer to Milwaukee than they are to North Dakota, for example.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 21, 2008 10:49:05 GMT -6
IFyou feel the need to re-align provinces, why not join all the counties of Wisconsin , instead of splitting the state up? That would be a much bigger change. Each province is a part of Talossa, which is just to the east of Milwaukee (Cézembre excepted). Cutting any of the Milwaukee-area provinces out of its share of Wisconsin would be a huge shift in focus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2008 11:06:45 GMT -6
How would this affect people whose province would change? As a resident of Pennsylvania would I need to move from Mussolini to Vuode (most def uncool), or would this affect only future citizens?
And why do we need to change the assignment of provinces?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 21, 2008 11:25:00 GMT -6
How would this affect people whose province would change? As a resident of Pennsylvania would I need to move from Mussolini to Vuode (most def uncool), or would this affect only future citizens? Since the bill doesn't specify, I think section 4 of 35RZ23, the People to Provinces Improvement Act, would control: Whenever any Talossan wants to move his provincial assignment to the province in whose assigned area he actually lives, he may do so, provided that either a) the province to which he is moving has a lower population than the province from which he is moving, or b) both provinces are currently closed to immigration. If this bill passes, you would be living in the assigned area of a province other than the one to which you are individually assigned to. So you would be able to move to Vuode if you choose to, and if either Vuode has a lower population than Mussolini or both provinces are otherwise closed to immigration.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 21, 2008 12:15:22 GMT -6
I think the logic behind this is solid - if we are basing our territorial assignments on certain ideas (ie states in a particular province relate to particular ideas), this makes sense and is a strictly procedural matter.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Mar 21, 2008 12:16:47 GMT -6
Yes, the boundary changes will not affect anybody unless they have the utmost desire to be in a new province.
This bill is not about changing current citizen's provinces, but rather allows for easier immigration to provincies based on geographic divisions.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 21, 2008 12:58:14 GMT -6
If I read this correctly, this would take some of the area that would ordinarily be assigned to Mussolini and give it to Vuode, as well as some of Florencia? Save me from having to compare the lists of placenames between the two versions of the act and spell it out specifically, MC Gavaritch.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 21, 2008 13:04:47 GMT -6
It makes two changes, the reasons for which are described in the "whereas" clauses:
1. Minnesota is shifted from Florencia's zone to Mussolini's zone.
2. Pennsylvania is shifted from Mussolini's zone to Vuode's zone.
It makes sense to me, on geographic, demographic, and cultural grounds. The only concern I have is that when you take the division of Wisconsin's counties into account, Minnesota currently serves as a bridge between the Wisconsin counties assigned to Florencia and the non-Wisconsin states assigned to Florencia. So reassigning Minnesota would break that geographic contiguity.
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 21, 2008 16:13:21 GMT -6
I was going to point out exactly what the good knight did, as regards Minnesota's Florenciahood. The logic of moving Pennsylvania into Vuode's catchment area seems solid to me.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Mar 21, 2008 16:30:34 GMT -6
I was going to point out exactly what the good knight did, as regards Minnesota's Florenciahood. On the other hand, a province's assigned Wisconsin counties connecting to its assigned non-Wisconsin states is the exception rather than the rule. Does it even work out for any province other than Florencia? So preserving that quirk might be outweighed by the other practical reasons for reassigning Minnesota to Mussolini: proximity and culture.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Mar 21, 2008 16:48:16 GMT -6
Cresti's right, it's the exception and not the rule, and I don't think we should be concerned about it.
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Post by Hooligan on Mar 21, 2008 19:54:08 GMT -6
Even as a Florencian -- and (very; yea, almost perversely) proud of the distinction that my province's catchment-area is one big contiguous chunk -- I tend to reluctantly agree.
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Post by Flip Molinar on Mar 21, 2008 21:54:44 GMT -6
I agree and would just like to say that I believe culture and proximity do indeed outweigh contiguity in this case especially due to the Extree cultural and proximinal similarities between the states being reassigned here. [eg:Minnesota to Wisconsin and Pennsylvania to the mid-Atlantic states]
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