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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 14:54:49 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings on this. I definitely think we should keep -x and -rh, those are two very distinct "Talossanisms" as for the š, I have no real beef with it, itself. I do kind of like "sch"... I don't really see why we should change it. It looks cooler with sch
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 15:05:08 GMT -6
I understand this would be a significant change, but the benifits are huge.
A phonetic pronunciation and elimination of unnessecary letter combinations.
Edit: for Dreu's edit
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 15:38:37 GMT -6
Please note, I've changed the proposition reffering to rules regarding the -eux and infinitive verb form endings from taking š to remaining how they are today.
I did this because I realized that these are distinctly Talossan, and would be unfair to change something so deeply engrained in our language.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 15:48:58 GMT -6
Okay, with these changes I know support this. -rh and -x were too Talossan to lose. But I see no problem with changing sch to š
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 16:00:21 GMT -6
Note that it is the sound that we would be changing to š not just the "sch" tripthong.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 16:02:17 GMT -6
Waitaminute, so you are trying to change -rh to š?
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 16:06:58 GMT -6
No, only in future tense verbs. The verb endings in infinative tenses will remain -rh.
So future tense: reieschahra da becomes reiešaša da. But infinative remains reiescharh da.
Note how it says, only in future tense verb circumstances does -rh change to a š, all other circumstances of -rh remain -rh.
This makes it easier to identify future tense verbs due to the orthographic change.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 16:19:22 GMT -6
I think that -rh- tense marker is important. It helps identify itself as future. If we make it the same as sch, then it gets harder.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 19:42:01 GMT -6
Yes, agreed, but if we change the tense marker to š it will do the same thing.
I would yield to having the š only found in nouns and adjectives with the sound, however, for now, i would like to push with the š in the future tense because it is a great visual clue for the future tense and the sound.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 19:54:41 GMT -6
We already have a visual clue! It's the "rh." If you're going to have the š I would recommend you only have it in nouns and adjectives, as you say (or in verbs to replace sch). In other words, just have it replace sch and nothing else.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 19:57:08 GMT -6
Okay, I will make that change, I do agree with you.
So the š will only replace all sounds in nouns, verbs, endings other than -eux, and in verbs, but not verb endings.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 20:02:25 GMT -6
Thank you.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 20:03:59 GMT -6
Changed, what do you think of the proposal??
It eliminates many hard to memorize letter combinations and drastically cuts down on confusion, all while keeping in touch with general Talossinity.
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Post by Dréu Gavárþic'h on Feb 17, 2008 20:11:55 GMT -6
Very nice. Just one thing:
The "x" in words like Renaixença, also makes a sound. I would encourage you to make that an exception as well.
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 17, 2008 20:16:10 GMT -6
Very nice. Just one thing: The "x" in words like Renaixença, also makes a sound. I would encourage you to make that an exception as well.May I ask why?? We can elect to keep certain words, but I believe that the spelling renaišença is completely acceptable.
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