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Post by Audrada Rôibeardét on Dec 18, 2019 17:32:29 GMT -6
Audrey Rebedew. My name is Audrey Rebedew and I live in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin, USA.
I may not be the most patriotic Talossan but I'm not afraid of people finding out that I am Talossan. I don't see how being Talossan would have any negative effect on my life, nor any positive effect. It just is what it is.
If you choose to use a different name, that's your decision. Why would you choose to do that? None of my business. You have your reasons and I have no problem with that.
Sev is a good Talossan. I'll admit that he's a better Talossan than I'll ever be. All this bullshit could make him pull up sticks and leave Talossa for good. Do you really want that? Would you want to lose a good Talossan just so you can be right?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 18, 2019 17:38:11 GMT -6
If someone says he's going to leave Talossa because we won't agree that he did a good thing when he broke the law...
*shrug*
Interesting to see that NPW lawmakers are the only people (outside the presiding Cort Justice) who come out to agree that Sev didn't break the law, and if he broke the law it doesn't matter.
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Post by Açafat del Val on Dec 18, 2019 17:51:20 GMT -6
All of this is very much micked, especially the point that no one is seeking retribution and all of us would like only a confession and for it the most lenient punishment. To be fair, he's confessed, hasn't he? The only issue is that he thinks he did nothing wrong (and the Cort is currently inclined to agree). Fair point. I meant that he should acknowledge the criminality/wrongdoing. Or because Talossa is a great big roleplaying game where nothing really matters, lol. This kind of mischaracterization is just as bad as "love it or leave" rhetoric. Maybe I misspoke: I did not mean that he (or anyone) should "take it or leave it". Nothing is ever above constructive criticism; a person should feel welcome to point out the flaws of an institution and should not lambasted for doing so. However, I did and do want to emphasize that this whole affair has been escalated needlessly to divisiveness, and I wish(ed) that perhaps Sevastáin Pinátsch would have sought compromise or reconciliation instead of... well, pointing fingers and moving the goalposts. His service is to be commended, honored and respected, but his reaction undermines all of that. "Love it or leave it" is poor form. We're all agreed there. But, hey, E.S. Bornatfiglheu , can you elaborate why that was a mischaracterization? What else than a (false) perception that Talossa is a club for LARPers or, worse, a disrespect for Talossa's legitimacy, would cause someone simultaneously to serve in our government for years but then intentionally evade or defeat our laws? You can't have it both ways, right? Either a person provides his "real" name because he respects the laws of Talossa, or he doesn't because he thinks that Talossa is an illegitimate nation. And if it's an illegitimate nation, what else would Talossa be than a "big rolepalying game where nothing really matters"? How am I misunderstanding the counterargument? Interesting to see that NPW lawmakers are the only people (outside the presiding Cort Justice) who come out to agree that Sev didn't break the law, and if he broke the law it doesn't matter. Edit: So I am in fact not the only one who noticed this.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Dec 18, 2019 19:16:16 GMT -6
You can't have it both ways, right? Either a person provides his "real" name because he respects the laws of Talossa, or he doesn't because he thinks that Talossa is an illegitimate nation. And if it's an illegitimate nation, what else would Talossa be than a "big rolepalying game where nothing really matters"? How am I misunderstanding the counterargument? The fallacy particularly lies in "...where nothing really matters." There is a massive spectrum of legitimacy and engagement between the level of nation and "roleplaying game where nothing matters." Utter lack of nuance.
Interesting to see that NPW lawmakers are the only people (outside the presiding Cort Justice) who come out to agree that Sev didn't break the law, and if he broke the law it doesn't matter. Why is it so interesting? Or are we just dogwhistling "criminal?"
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Dec 18, 2019 19:23:10 GMT -6
Why is it so interesting? Or are we just dogwhistling "criminal?" Geez, chuck some ice on those coghloneux, citizen. There's "opposition" and there's "argumentative troll". The point is you can't say "Seb didn't break the law" and "Seb broke the law but it was a shitty law so he did a good thing". Choose one and stick with it if you don't want to sound like a Trumpist.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Dec 19, 2019 20:26:12 GMT -6
Admittedly, my mind jumped to an uncharitable interpretation. You have my apologies.
This has indeed become heated. So let's all take a step back and remember that there are people on the other side of these words. Policy critiques are one thing, personal attacked quite another.
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Post by Iason Bitxichë Taiwos on Dec 20, 2019 9:54:45 GMT -6
Yeah, Eiric's right. Comment removed, with my apologies. It was unwarranted.
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