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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 14:55:22 GMT -6
In the gif above, V is of course Flexo
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 30, 2019 14:56:27 GMT -6
What? Flexo is canonically less of a dickbag than Bender
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Amada Merþedes
Citizen of Talossa
Dead-Talossan-Name: Alexandreu Regeu
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Jul 30, 2019 15:57:33 GMT -6
Well, this went from self-congratulations to a grandiose battle of morality in 14 hours. How does Talossa do it? Talossaness
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Post by Audrada Rôibeardét on Jul 30, 2019 16:28:23 GMT -6
Wait...wait...
Did Talossa just get fun again?!
Not positive but pretty sure that just happened.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jul 30, 2019 16:51:36 GMT -6
The Republic used to have a board set aside specifically for overly flowery language. Maybe merge this idea with the thunderdome? Points scored for the fanciest dis.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 18:37:38 GMT -6
The Republic used to have a board set aside specifically for overly flowery language. Maybe merge this idea with the thunderdome? Points scored for the fanciest dis. It would, I imagine, be something like this?
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jul 30, 2019 19:13:35 GMT -6
I cant help but think that, on occasion, it is worth re-writing one's "What Talossa Means to Me" essay.
In this case, I can't help but think that Talossa's strength is its people. I am a strange and lonely person. And getting to know other people is one of the things that first led me to Talossa. Txec Dal Mar calling me during storms in Savannah, GA to update me on severe weather (my power was out). Long chats with MPF about the micronational landscape and Talossa's place. Things like that are pure gold.
Talossa is so much more than traditions and institutions. Those are valuable and important, but people are far more valuable. Anything that drives that off... that needs addressing.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Jul 30, 2019 19:27:31 GMT -6
Please realize that I say the above fully realizing that there are Talossans who think me utter garbage.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 31, 2019 12:24:29 GMT -6
What? Flexo is canonically less of a dickbag than Bender I actually met the man who voiced Bender at a Comic-Con in San Diego. Cool guy.
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Ián Tamorán S.H.
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Post by Ián Tamorán S.H. on Aug 3, 2019 14:34:29 GMT -6
Please - please! - excuse the following language...
There was a court case in the UK, in 1960, about whether Lady Chatterley's Lover was an obscene publication or not. There was a great deal of discussion about whether this or that word, or this or that sexual activity could, in propriety, be said or described. (This, by the way, was the trial in which the prosecutor asked the jury whether "you would wish your wife or servants to read" this book!!!).
The council for the defence told the following story, and - no - I am not making this up (though I quote from memory):
"Why was a f*cking furious?? I was f*cking well called up into the f*cking army to fight a f*cking war in some f*cking foreign f*cking country where some f*cking soldiers on the other f*cking side were shooting f*cking bullets at me and my f*cking mates but we f*cking well won, and - f*ck me - after six f*cking months I was f*cking discharged, and when I f*cking well got to my f*cking home, there was my wife having sexual intercourse with another man."
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Aug 3, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -6
I also like the famous story from the 1932-33 England v Australia cricket series. For those not in the know, the English had developed a new tactic known as "Bodyline" which, while at the time legal, caused many Australians physical injury. This caused a lot of bad feeling.
The English captain, almost a cartoon version of a posh boy, came to the Australian locker room at the end of one day's play to complain that an Australian player had called him a bastard. Legend has it that the Australian captain turned to his men and asked:
"All right, which one of you bastards called this bastard a bastard?"
And that's all I have to say on the subject of bad language.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Aug 3, 2019 16:14:49 GMT -6
We should keep in mind that tone policing is an argumentatice fallacy, seeking to discredit a message by focusing on how it is delivered as opposed to the content. It's also a way for the 'policer' to hijack the discussion and position themselves as the authority and arbiter of 'acceptable' discourse.
Less than a quarter-mile from my home is the courtroom where noted American lawyer Clarence Darrow got his start. He is credited with saying something along the lines of the following:
"The English language is a poor enough medium of expression. We should use every damn bit of it."
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Aug 3, 2019 18:40:34 GMT -6
We should keep in mind that tone policing is an argumentatice fallacy, seeking to discredit a message by focusing on how it is delivered as opposed to the content. It's also a way for the 'policer' to hijack the discussion and position themselves as the authority and arbiter of 'acceptable' discourse. Less than a quarter-mile from my home is the courtroom where noted American lawyer Clarence Darrow got his start. He is credited with saying something along the lines of the following: "The English language is a poor enough medium of expression. We should use every damn bit of it." Not sure this logic follows. I do agree that tone policing can be weaponized, but you seem to be implying that every tone is appropriate in every situation. That's clearly not true.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Aug 3, 2019 20:12:26 GMT -6
Not sure this logic follows. I do agree that tone policing can be weaponized, but you seem to be implying that every tone is appropriate in every situation. That's clearly not true. I see AD's point. Let me trot out another anecdote. There was a NZ Labour Party MP in the 1930s, Frank Langstone. He was a mild-mannered gent, and every time he got up to speak in Parliament, he got massive disrespect from the National Party opposition - open laughter in some cases. He went to his friend, John A. Lee, the acknowledged best orator in the Labour Party caucus. Lee's advice was: "Next time they laugh at you, come back with the worst, nastiest insult you can think of. Wipe the smiles off their faces." So Langstone took this advice. It was extremely unfortunate that, the next time he got up to speak, it was the famous Māori leader, Sir Āpirana Ngata, who led the guffawing from the National benches. Langstone's unfortunate comeback was: "I'm not going to take that from a buck <racial slur>". Well, it certainly wiped the smiles off the National MPs' faces. It got Langstone banned from Parliament for the day. And Ngata actually chased him down in the corridors of the House of Parliament and Langstone only narrowly escaped a beating. The point is that there are limits. (Sir Āpirana Ngata is now on NZ's $50 bill.) However, I repeat my contention that sometimes the nastiest sentiments can be expressed without using any swear-words at all.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Aug 3, 2019 21:13:20 GMT -6
We should keep in mind that tone policing is an argumentatice fallacy, seeking to discredit a message by focusing on how it is delivered as opposed to the content. It's also a way for the 'policer' to hijack the discussion and position themselves as the authority and arbiter of 'acceptable' discourse. Less than a quarter-mile from my home is the courtroom where noted American lawyer Clarence Darrow got his start. He is credited with saying something along the lines of the following: "The English language is a poor enough medium of expression. We should use every damn bit of it." Not sure this logic follows. I do agree that tone policing can be weaponized, but you seem to be implying that every tone is appropriate in every situation. That's clearly not true. That's not what he's implying. But boring story, DARVO.
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