Iac Marscheir
Citizen of Talossa
yak marsh air
Posts: 782
Talossan Since: 12-3-2016
Baron Since: Qet Miestra tent zirada.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on Jul 29, 2019 22:15:35 GMT -6
So THAT'S what that means.
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Post by Þon Txoteu É. Davinescu on Jul 29, 2019 22:31:32 GMT -6
Seriously, back in Penguinea I wrote a couple of pieces of fan-fiction where Penguinean political debates were turned into Celebrity Deathmatch-type bouts and I was the Vince McMahon figure. And there was a running gag of "if you think this is bad, you should see the Talossan fed!" Funny enough, I live about 5 miles from Jim Ross and a few years ago drove his wife to the airport several times.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 5:40:34 GMT -6
Alex, you intentionally mislead people and lie. Pretty usually, your examples of my atrocious falsehoods are based purely in your fever-dreams about my motivations. If I criticize a major flaw in a bill of yours, it's because I just want to destroy all that is pure and good, and I am a terrible villain for not admitting it. Indeed, you have a tendency to gin up these huge passion plays in your own imagination, where you are a brave truth-teller who's willing to speak truth to power, boldly shattering norms in service of a greater truth. In this imagination, the king is not a fairly busy and oft-absent guy who has the country's best interests at heart and delights in rules and legalities (the same interests which drew him to Talossa and which enabled him to help lead the resistance against King Ben, driving him out). It's frankly a little embarrassing to watch, because it leads you to make these hyperdramatic posts like the one memorialized in your signature. When you get your teeth in something, you never seem to be able to let it go, and it gets in your way of seeing what's really going on. If someone disagrees with you about something, it can't be an honest difference of opinion -- even if they explain what they're thinking and they have a long history of thoughtful helpfulness! No, they're evil, since they disagree with you. Gluc is a liar when he doesn't agree with you: It's not obvious. And I said it results in effective expulsion. So yes, Gluc, you are lying. Ian is personally attacking you when he doesn't agree with you: I won't engage this discussion with either of you anymore, considering not once have you condemned the liar John or his patent misrepresentation as you have attacked me. Gluc and Ian, you have now made it personal. Great job. Let's have fun. :-D The king is trying to ignore the law when he doesn't agree with you: King John Completely inappropriate. You filed a petition. The Attorney General defends the Chancery and the Government. The Cort has yet to intervene. The Chancery need only draw its attention when required. And the mere allegations that Florencia has not approved the Constitution is insufficient. The Chancery needn't stop the referendum until such time as the Cort tells it to. You don't get to assert your interpretation as binding. You. Are. Not. The. Law. You. Are. Not. Above. The. Law. Et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Well, whatever. Clearly not going to change your mind about anything, since if I said that the sky was blue you'd send up three astronauts, a cosmonaut, and a monkey with a camera just to be sure. Just maybe think about this a bit? You have to know that your anger clouds your judgment at this point. You've had to go back and apologize once you cooled down. Is it possible that you're not the glorious hero -- that you and I and the king and everyone are just folks doing their best, often misunderstood and frequently disagreeing? That we have different beliefs, but no one is seeking to "lie to everyone" or destroy the country with tyranny? I flattered that you (a) spent an exorbitant amount of time culling through posts to make this case; or (b) have kept a schedule in a word doc somewhere for just this occasion. I'm further flattered by you adopting my "sky is blue" point, which I have used against you and Johnny boy. As I said Alex, you're a liar. And you obfuscate your insults. Your morals, if you have any at all, are questionable.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 30, 2019 7:17:44 GMT -6
Shockingly, it takes about 30 seconds to find that sort of stuff from you. I agree that it should take longer, but I can't control your actions. You literally just quit your job so you could attack people in nastier terms. If that's not the sort of thing you want to be doing... then stop.
Now, as ever, I am unmoved by your accusations of deceit. I'm not sure you actually know what it is, frankly, given how often and bizarrely you level the charge. And if I am a liar for disagreeing with you, I am in very good and very large company in the country.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 7:43:37 GMT -6
I did not quit because I wanted to attack people in "nastier" terms. I resigned because I was getting thrown under the bus.
Again, you lack the moral high ground to question me when you insults are a hell of a lot worse but you dress them up in flowery language. You've condoned homophobic comments or, at the very best, tried to straightsplain them away. You've engaged in transphobic behavior for which you've never apologized. At least Johnny Boy had the moral capacity to admit that he waits to the last possible minute to levy his political objection to maximize impact. You lie about all of this.
You're not a liar because you disagree with me. You're a liar because you lie. But cool revisionism, manarchist.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 30, 2019 7:52:59 GMT -6
I did not quit because I wanted to attack people in "nastier" terms. I resigned because I was getting thrown under the bus. Again, you lack the moral high ground to question me when you insults are a hell of a lot worse but you dress them up in flowery language. You've condoned homophobic comments or, at the very best, tried to straightsplain them away. You've engaged in transphobic behavior for which you've never apologized. At least Johnny Boy had the moral capacity to admit that he waits to the last possible minute to levy his political objection to maximize impact. You lie about all of this. You're not a liar because you disagree with me. You're a liar because you lie. But cool revisionism, manarchist. If I don't agree with your vague unsubstantiated insults and allegations, that must make me a liar, of course. Again, you don't seem to actually know what a lie is. Whatever. This is clearly not going anywhere, any more than similar arguments have gone anywhere. A code of conduct to which you agreed to adhere couldn't stop you from unleashing your id, and you turn on friends and allies in the blink of an eye if you think they're standing in the way of your crusade. So certainly reason alone isn't going to work, either. I do hope you find peace at some point.
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Iac Marscheir
Citizen of Talossa
yak marsh air
Posts: 782
Talossan Since: 12-3-2016
Baron Since: Qet Miestra tent zirada.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on Jul 30, 2019 7:55:53 GMT -6
Well, this went from self-congratulations to a grandiose battle of morality in 14 hours. How does Talossa do it?
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 30, 2019 7:57:09 GMT -6
Well, this went from self-congratulations to a grandiose battle of morality in 14 hours. How does Talossa do it? Talossa: A Proud Nation of Drama Kids 😀
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 7:57:40 GMT -6
I did not quit because I wanted to attack people in "nastier" terms. I resigned because I was getting thrown under the bus. Again, you lack the moral high ground to question me when you insults are a hell of a lot worse but you dress them up in flowery language. You've condoned homophobic comments or, at the very best, tried to straightsplain them away. You've engaged in transphobic behavior for which you've never apologized. At least Johnny Boy had the moral capacity to admit that he waits to the last possible minute to levy his political objection to maximize impact. You lie about all of this. You're not a liar because you disagree with me. You're a liar because you lie. But cool revisionism, manarchist. If I don't agree with your vague unsubstantiated insults and allegations, that must make me a liar, of course. Again, you don't seem to actually know what a lie is. Whatever. This is clearly not going anywhere, any more than similar arguments have gone anywhere. A code of conduct to which you agreed to adhere couldn't stop you from unleashing your id, and you turn on friends and allies in the blink of an eye if you think they're standing in the way of your crusade. So certainly reason alone isn't going to work, either. I do hope you find peace at some point. May you one day develop a sense of morality and ethics.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Jul 30, 2019 8:00:10 GMT -6
Well, this went from self-congratulations to a grandiose battle of morality in 14 hours. How does Talossa do it? We're a talented lot. And if you're going to do something, why not make it overblown?
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Iac Marscheir
Citizen of Talossa
yak marsh air
Posts: 782
Talossan Since: 12-3-2016
Baron Since: Qet Miestra tent zirada.
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Post by Iac Marscheir on Jul 30, 2019 8:21:41 GMT -6
Back to the title of this thread... Verily, I am!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 30, 2019 13:47:53 GMT -6
New idea for improving Wittenberg - a board called the THUNDERDOME. Posts like the back-and-forth above are not deleted by mods but moved to the THUNDERDOME so the fight can continue for the benefit of popcorn-munching spectators, but don't take up valuable real estate on the boards where we want to discuss things.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Jul 30, 2019 13:57:39 GMT -6
As someone with admin access, I would be happy to arrange this
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 30, 2019 14:45:30 GMT -6
I would fully endorse such a proposal!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 30, 2019 14:49:46 GMT -6
In the gif above, V is of course Flexo
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