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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 28, 2019 8:12:10 GMT -6
I agree, it is a definite weakness that we have a barriers to entry for individuals. I also agree that senators should not represent any particular party, but I think that was mostly dependent on a norm that is now gone -- that horse might already have bolted.
But maybe we can do something for individuals getting into the Cosa. For example, party registration fees could be waived for folks representing a party with fewer than three votes.
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King John
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Post by King John on Mar 28, 2019 13:07:42 GMT -6
Which would establish a perverse incentive to make sure your small party didn't get that expensive 4th vote. :-)
— John R
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Post by Istefan Perþonest on Mar 28, 2019 14:48:42 GMT -6
Which would establish a perverse incentive to make sure your small party didn't get that expensive 4th vote. :-) — John R Peculiarist Obstructionist Socialist Tory Extraderivatist Republican Inactivist Oldgrowth Royalist (POSTERIOR) party platform, plank 47: "The death penalty for anyone who casts a fourth vote for us!"
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Amada Merþedes
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Mar 29, 2019 2:14:37 GMT -6
Wow. I was not expecting reactions on this scale. However could a citizen run for Cosa independently? Then we dont have the problem of "join us for a free seat in the Cosa"!.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 29, 2019 4:54:15 GMT -6
In theory, yes. You can run your own party and, based on current numbers, get a seat.
But the Cosa is proportional representation not constituency FPTP.
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Post by Marcel Eðo Pairescu Tafial on Mar 29, 2019 8:06:52 GMT -6
There are systems that combine the concept of constituencies with proportional representation (Mixed-Member Proportional), but I'm not sure how well they would work in Talossa.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 29, 2019 14:01:17 GMT -6
We have to decide if we do want to continue to encourage people to vote for parties, rather than encouraging one person parties. Right now, several people, the leader of the Free Democrats most particularly, seem to be opposed to one person parties on basic principle. That is, if I am understanding correctly. So the status quo might represent a compromise between all signs that works pretty well.
That said, Etho is right that we should try to carve out some way for people to participate as individuals if they really want to. I don't know how much you will get, but we have had several prominent and awesome individual parties in the past and we should provide every opportunity for people to find their fun where they want to find it. And in that respect, the main issue is one of the party registration fee.
The King right points outs that any carve-out for individuals or very small group will incentivize them not to expand beyond that size, potentially leaving us with a lot of those sorts of parties. so we do have to think about what we're going to do pretty carefully.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Mar 29, 2019 15:34:25 GMT -6
At one point in Talossan history (the founding of the LOSS), there was a focus on "world singular secessionism." Not just 1 person parties, but 1 person nations.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 29, 2019 18:01:57 GMT -6
We have to decide if we do want to continue to encourage people to vote for parties, rather than encouraging one person parties. Right now, several people, the leader of the Free Democrats most particularly, seem to be opposed to one person parties on basic principle. That is, if I am understanding correctly. So the status quo might represent a compromise between all signs that works pretty well. That said, Etho is right that we should try to carve out some way for people to participate as individuals if they really want to. I don't know how much you will get, but we have had several prominent and awesome individual parties in the past and we should provide every opportunity for people to find their fun where they want to find it. And in that respect, the main issue is one of the party registration fee. The King right points outs that any carve-out for individuals or very small group will incentivize them not to expand beyond that size, potentially leaving us with a lot of those sorts of parties. so we do have to think about what we're going to do pretty carefully. Our current systrm de facto permits one persom parties. But that is a consequence not an intention. I'm staunchly opposed to making it an intention and feature of our system. Proportional representation is the best representation of the electorate as a whole. And that is what we strive for--representation of the whole of Talossa, not the singular intent of one individual. Not sorry, but neither the King nor you point out that such a codification to incentivize participation weighs more in favor of ensuring that Talossa doesn't become truly subject to the whims of the minority. We already have enough issues with the Senate in that regard, let's not compound it.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 29, 2019 19:37:05 GMT -6
I didn't point that out because it didn't occur to me. Making it easier to have one-person parties would make the country more subject to the whims of the minority? How so?
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Post by Thor Deyaert on Mar 30, 2019 1:20:29 GMT -6
As an independent myself, I can only encourage any legislation that would make it easier for people who don't quite find their match in the current political parties, or are inherently opposed to parties in the first place, to find their way to politics.
Choosing to run independently is an ideological choice, just as much as joining a party. You decide then that you are personally accountable for all legislation that you support or initiate. You can't hide then behind partylines.
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Post by Thor Deyaert on Mar 30, 2019 1:27:25 GMT -6
That is not to say that I would want to end political parties, but a healthy mix would be best.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Mar 30, 2019 8:14:56 GMT -6
Yep.
Which takes me back to thinking about a mixed and additional member system.
Which takes me back to thinking we don't have enough active politicians to make that work, yet.
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Amada Merþedes
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Apr 2, 2019 9:52:09 GMT -6
Who do I talk to about joining the FreeDems?
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Apr 2, 2019 10:20:54 GMT -6
Who do I talk to about joining the FreeDems? Miestra. By the way, I was in Woking yesterday.
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