Amada Merþedes
Citizen of Talossa
Dead-Talossan-Name: Alexandreu Regeu
Posts: 249
Talossan Since: 26th of March, 2019
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Mar 24, 2019 14:02:08 GMT -6
I think that Talossa should be a republic, but still have the King/Queen as a figurehead. Kinda like the UK. A Democratic Republican society is what we need in Talossa. If I could have voted in the election I would have voted Free Dem for a reason. The King is pointless. We need to fix the Cosa and Ziu in general before we can proceed though. Like what happened with RUMP adding Glüc to the list without his permission. This is unacceptable, however I am not here for a rant about the RUMP.
(Previously posted on the FreeDems forum, ZRT board)
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 24, 2019 14:36:30 GMT -6
I think that Talossa should be a republic, but still have the King/Queen as a figurehead.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Mar 24, 2019 14:39:37 GMT -6
I guess you still can vote if your citizenship petition and approval is dealt within time.
If Talossa had not been a Monarchy, many of us might not have had joined in the first place. After all, if you read Talossan history ... it was the Republic which re-merged with the Kingdom.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 24, 2019 16:02:02 GMT -6
I guess you still can vote if your citizenship petition and approval is dealt within time. If Talossa had not been a Monarchy, many of us might not have had joined in the first place. After all, if you read Talossan history ... it was the Republic which re-merged with the Kingdom. The now-disgraced former puisne justice of the Uppermost Cort provides further proof that the RUMP views reunision as the defeat of the Republic at the hands of the Kingdom, and not, as purported, the resolution of a schism for conduct by the Monarchy that caused many to break away--acts for which the King apologized to aid in realizing reunision on 11 December 2011. Those who profess an unyielding loyalty to the 1997 Organic Law by sheer virtue of its age fail to see how it perpetuates this myth and prevents actual reunision from occurring. The divide here is illuminated by the fact that the FreeDems, many of whom are former Republicans, advanced and supported a new Organic Law, which would have helped to bring about true reunision, that maintained the monarchy and did not seek to subvert any changes to the current monarchy. Let the foregoing serve as a reminder to voters--the FreeDems seek to unite Talossa into a viable State under a banner of pragmatism, which is contrasted with, as displayed by Ben-Ard, the Rump's approach to unity only through idolatry and dogma.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 24, 2019 16:10:15 GMT -6
I think that Talossa should be a republic, but still have the King/Queen as a figurehead. Kinda like the UK. A Democratic Republican society is what we need in Talossa. If I could have voted in the election I would have voted Free Dem for a reason. The King is pointless. We need to fix the Cosa and Ziu in general before we can proceed though. Like what happened with RUMP adding Glüc to the list without his permission. This is unacceptable, however I am not here for a rant about the RUMP. (Previously posted on the FreeDems forum, ZRT board) We would have appreciated your vote, and we look forward to your contributions to Talossa, either as a member of the FreeDems or any other party. I only wish to point out--the United Kingdom is a "constitutional monarchy" not a "republic with a figurehead." This is a very fine point and rather pedantic, but labels serve a purpose (they stop people in Florida from drinking Windex.... most of the time). A monarchy can be more democratic than a republic (the UK compared to Venezuela); and a republic can be more authoritarian than a monarchy (Russia compared to Norway). The issue here, however, is a bit two-fold: (1) whether Talossa should abolish the monarchy and become a republic; (2) if not, then to what degree should the Crown exert political control or influence or both? You post suggests that you are fine with keeping the monarchy but making it absolutely powerless. I, however, can live with that but advocate for complete abolition. That said, you will find a home in the FreeDems, as some of our most important/influential members share your position (or, even, may be more monarchist than you). Munditenens Tresplet , our former Party President (and current Secretary, I believe) is a good example of this.
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Ian Plätschisch
Senator for Maritiimi-Maxhestic
Posts: 4,001
Talossan Since: 3-21-2015
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Post by Ian Plätschisch on Mar 24, 2019 17:16:28 GMT -6
Unfortunately this is true at the moment, but that is because the incumbent is not around very much, not because the institution is bad. Of course, if he were a figurehead he would still be able to do all of the cultural things I've been saying he should do, but I have a feeling that if he engaged more, people would not get so upset when he vetoed something. To a lot of people it feels like the only time he shows up is when he parachutes in to stop some legislation he doesn't like, but the solution is a more active King, not continuing to remove the relatively little power he still has. I agree that parties should not be allowed to put people on their lists without their permission (this is an eventuality I did not even think of when I wrote the law), but that would be a pretty simple fix. I don't see many other problems that would amount to a need to fix the Ziu "in general." (BTW I'll have your citizenship petition ready soon so we can continue this discussion without anyone having to worry about broosking)
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 24, 2019 17:20:25 GMT -6
Thanks for the reminder about broosking.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Mar 24, 2019 21:47:52 GMT -6
I guess you still can vote if your citizenship petition and approval is dealt within time. If Talossa had not been a Monarchy, many of us might not have had joined in the first place. After all, if you read Talossan history ... it was the Republic which re-merged with the Kingdom. The now-disgraced former puisne justice of the Uppermost Cort provides further proof that the RUMP views reunision as the defeat of the Republic at the hands of the Kingdom... I don't view reunision that way at all. The Republic was never something that needed to be defeated for me. That concept seems bonkers. Before reunision happened, I never thought it would or could happen. At that time I was probably one of the loudest voices arguing for pro-Republic relations and fought hard for the Kingdom to officially recognize the Republic. I always wanted the two groups to come together - somehow. Some of my actions back then definitely amounted to treason against the Crown. Ben-Ard doesn't speak for me above.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Mar 24, 2019 23:45:52 GMT -6
It's sad but true that V couldn't be successful in his personal Vendetta and eVil designs to remove the now former justice.
Before the Bill (which was passed because of his political clout and numbers) could have been accented to, the judge had resigned.
It's definitely a disgrace to live in the same kingdom with such people (I mean his negative mindset and has nothing to do with his personal life. Had to clarify, lest he cried foul again.)
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Mar 25, 2019 4:37:29 GMT -6
It's sad but true that V couldn't be successful in his personal Vendetta and eVil designs to remove the now former justice. Before the Bill (which was passed because of his political clout and numbers) could have been accented to, the judge had resigned. It's definitely a disgrace to live in the same kingdom with such people (I mean his negative mindset and has nothing to do with his personal life. Had to clarify, lest he cried foul again.) It's truly sad when the Ziu votes to remove yoi and before it can be certified you resign thinking you somehow won. Ben-Ard is a clownhorn and a bigot.
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Amada Merþedes
Citizen of Talossa
Dead-Talossan-Name: Alexandreu Regeu
Posts: 249
Talossan Since: 26th of March, 2019
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Mar 25, 2019 5:10:50 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs I mean the queen passes nearly anything that gets through parliament, the law is made by parliament and thats it really
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Mar 25, 2019 12:20:16 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs I mean the queen passes nearly anything that gets through parliament, the law is made by parliament and thats it really You mean, you'd like a rubber stamp Monarch. Right? UK for that matter does not even have a codified Constitution. The Queen does have the power to veto, but its rarely used and is said that it has not been used for centuries. It is rumored that the Queen actually is informally consulted before the presentation or passing of a bill so that the question of vetoing at the very end does not arise. Maybe unknown to all, for centuries its the Monarch who's indeed controlling the Parliament. I know its too far fetched a theory.
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Amada Merþedes
Citizen of Talossa
Dead-Talossan-Name: Alexandreu Regeu
Posts: 249
Talossan Since: 26th of March, 2019
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Post by Amada Merþedes on Mar 25, 2019 12:35:59 GMT -6
No, the Ziu should have full control the King should be a figurehead
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 25, 2019 15:09:31 GMT -6
I don't view reunision that way at all. ... Ben-Ard doesn't speak for me above. Thanks for that, Eðo; brings up the point I was meaning to raise, viz., is the RUMP still a party, in the sense of a group of Talossans following a single political vision/programme? I noted that your 50 word statement had no reference to what I thought was your defining point, viz. defence of the current Talossan monarchical system and its occupant.
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Post by E.S. Bornatfiglheu on Mar 25, 2019 21:25:21 GMT -6
Has the RUMP simply morphed into a post-ideological edifice? I think that's a good question. In what way is someone known mostly for trolling and other repulsive stunts really fit to beat the drum of "a fun new day?" Even neutral parties recognize the issue.
A vote for RUMP reads only as a vote to give AD power, and then woe betide his enemies, or those who might "ruin Talossa" for him.
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