Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 18, 2013 7:11:12 GMT -6
Please show me where I referenced any party but ZRT. Thank you. I would appreciate it if you refrain from referring to the political organisation of which I serve as leader for as stupid. Perhaps then we may resume discussing the merits/faults of a policy. I'll make you a deal. Have your political organization start reading the OrgLaw and Statutory laws before they post, and I'll quit calling them stupid. Deal? |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 18, 2013 7:17:12 GMT -6
I would appreciate it if you refrain from referring to the political organisation of which I serve as leader for as stupid. Perhaps then we may resume discussing the merits/faults of a policy. I'll make you a deal. Have your political organization start reading the OrgLaw and Statutory laws before they post, and I'll quit calling them stupid. Deal? Oh, and let me add this - Once the members of YOUR Political Organization cease their derogatory comments towards other Parties, your Political Party can expect the same civility. Thanks! |
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 7:36:10 GMT -6
I'll make you a deal. Have your political organization start reading the OrgLaw and Statutory laws before they post, and I'll quit calling them stupid. Deal? Oh, and let me add this - Once the members of YOUR Political Organization cease their derogatory comments towards other Parties, your Political Party can expect the same civility. Thanks! When it does happen, I deal with it. More often than not I deal with it publicly, and it's disappointing that I find myself needing to remind you of this. When I have enough free time, I'll have to start interviewing members of your own party to make sure they're of the same standard you expect of us. |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 18, 2013 7:47:11 GMT -6
Oh, and let me add this - Once the members of YOUR Political Organization cease their derogatory comments towards other Parties, your Political Party can expect the same civility. Thanks! When it does happen, I deal with it. More often than not I deal with it publicly, and it's disappointing that I find myself needing to remind you of this. When I have enough free time, I'll have to start interviewing members of your own party to make sure they're of the same standard you expect of us. I'm sorry, I must have missed your public rebuke of some of the comments your party members have made recently about other parties. Can you reference them for me? Thanks. What about having your party members actually reading the Laws? Do you intend to do that also? |
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 8:04:29 GMT -6
When it does happen, I deal with it. More often than not I deal with it publicly, and it's disappointing that I find myself needing to remind you of this. When I have enough free time, I'll have to start interviewing members of your own party to make sure they're of the same standard you expect of us. I'm sorry, I must have missed your public rebuke of some of the comments your party members have made recently about other parties. Can you reference them for me? Thanks. What about having your party members actually reading the Laws? Do you intend to do that also? I must have missed the comments that suggested the ignorance of your party, perhaps you'll be so kind as to point me in the right direction? If you have any trouble finding them, I'll go out on a limb and say that it would be very wrong for any member of the ZRT to refer to the RUMP as a stupid party, and that if you (members of the ZRT) have referred to the RUMP as such then I would suggest you apologise and get back to being critical of their policies. (also, I'm aware that my tone could very well be misinterpreted here. It is not my intention to inflame you, Mick - if any of the ZRT have accused you of being stupid I do expect them to apologise) Regarding my members' knowledge of Talossa's laws, I am aware that from time to time people slip up and have either forgotten or skipped certain parts of the OrgLaw or a certain statute. I don't believe this reflects on our understanding; I would add that with a smaller team of members, it's often very difficult to research laws - especially considering most of us can't give Talossa as much time as we would like. I'm among these members who don't feel they have been able to give Talossa as much attention as we would like, and unfortunately this is unavoidable. It's also why documents such as the one published by S:reu Davinescu are incredibly useful. |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 18, 2013 8:16:39 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm more worried about your Parties lack of knowledge about the Laws of the Kingdom than if they had called the RUMP stupid.
I'd prefer that you (and your party)focus on that, instead of any possible slight or insult being posted by your Party. Time spent there would ( by previous remarks) correct my impression of your Party. I
At least on that topic.
Oh, and don't worry - I am not at all inflamed. But thank you for clarifying!
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 8:26:03 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm more worried about your Parties lack of knowledge about the Laws of the Kingdom than if they had called the RUMP stupid. I'd prefer that you (and your party)focus on that, instead of any possible slight or insult being posted by your Party. Time spent there would ( by previous remarks) correct my impression of your Party. I At least on that topic. Oh, and don't worry - I am not at all inflamed. But thank you for clarifying! Despite a few slip ups in the past, I'm confident of the assertion that the ZRT is as well-informed as the average RUMP, MRPT, NPW or CSPP member. |
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063 
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 18, 2013 8:32:56 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm more worried about your Parties lack of knowledge about the Laws of the Kingdom than if they had called the RUMP stupid. I'd prefer that you (and your party)focus on that, instead of any possible slight or insult being posted by your Party. Time spent there would ( by previous remarks) correct my impression of your Party. I At least on that topic. Oh, and don't worry - I am not at all inflamed. But thank you for clarifying! Despite a few slip ups in the past, I'm confident of the assertion that the ZRT is as well-informed as the average RUMP, MRPT, NPW or CSPP member. First let me state that I am not being flippant here. I find that when writing a bill it helps to have as a contact before posting it to speak with one of the members of the Royal Talossan Bar for their thoughts/advice. I don't know if there are any members of the bar in the ZRT, but I'm sure an arrangement can be worked out with any Talossan lawyer and it might be a good thing for the ZRT to retain counsel for just such things. After all, the government itself has retained counsel and so has the RUMP. Another thing I always do is do as comprehensive a search of the Wiki as I can. Most of the time, if I just type in a phrase, I can find what I am looking for. |
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 8:35:22 GMT -6
Despite a few slip ups in the past, I'm confident of the assertion that the ZRT is as well-informed as the average RUMP, MRPT, NPW or CSPP member. First let me state that I am not being flippant here. I find that when writing a bill it helps to have as a contact before posting it to speak with one of the members of the Royal Talossan Bar for their thoughts/advice. I don't know if there are any members of the bar in the ZRT, but I'm sure an arrangement can be worked out with any Talossan lawyer and it might be a good thing for the ZRT to retain counsel for just such things. After all, the government itself has retained counsel and so has the RUMP. Another thing I always do is do as comprehensive a search of the Wiki as I can. Most of the time, if I just type in a phrase, I can find what I am looking for. That's a rather good suggestion, I must say. Concerning the latter suggestion, I do the same with varying success.  |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 18, 2013 8:46:39 GMT -6
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 8:54:49 GMT -6
The RUMP is privileged to have so many members who simultaneously serve as members of the Royal Talossan Bar. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2013 9:22:36 GMT -6
Let me just say that there are a number of Talossan lawyers who do tend to vote RUMP. However, they are not all "RUMP Attorneys."
Legal representation is for all Talossans, not just those of allied political affiliation. And a Talossan attorney, when consulted regarding the law, should provide a fair and just analysis of the law. I'm not saying we could (or should) force any lawyer of your choosing to represent the ZRT, but I am suggesting that if the ZRT retained the services of an attorney who is not affiliated with their own party, that lawyer would be duty bound to represent the ZRT as strenuously as any other client.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 9:26:54 GMT -6
Let me just say that there are a number of Talossan lawyers who do tend to vote RUMP. However, they are not all "RUMP Attorneys." Legal representation is for all Talossans, not just those of allied political affiliation. And a Talossan attorney, when consulted regarding the law, should provide a fair and just analysis of the law. I'm not saying we could (or should) force any lawyer of your choosing to represent the ZRT, but I am suggesting that if the ZRT retained the services of an attorney who is not affiliated with their own party, that lawyer would be duty bound to represent the ZRT as strenuously as any other client. I would expect so. Even then, it would be nice to see more lawyers from a variety of parties. That being said, I think it would be nice to have law courses offered on a more frequent basis - food for thought. |
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 18, 2013 9:33:02 GMT -6
There will of course be further opportunity in the future for other citizens to join the Bar. I believe the AG is working with Dame Cjantscheir on coursework to enable future lawyers to pass the bar exam (which incidentally I took but never heard if I passed or failed it miserably ).
WIth that said, I am sure that the ZRT will find that attorney-client privilege is a tenet of Talossan legal ethics.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jul 18, 2013 9:35:38 GMT -6
WIth that said, I am sure that the ZRT will find that attorney-client privilege is a tenet of Talossan legal ethics. Of that I have no doubt. |
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