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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 24, 2012 2:24:10 GMT -6
It boggles my mind that Maricopans want to change their beautiful flag. At first a Benetian, proposed a change in here - talossa.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=maricopa&action=display&thread=6543&page=1 and thereafter a few Maricopan presented their varients (including a flag similar to Smaland, Sweden). The present design was proposed after due consultation and after quite a few members of the Cabana expressed that they liked it. How come non-members are trying to stop this legislation? Even if they protest outside the House saying that it is against the spirit of Maricopa, such voice should be dismissed as noise, because a few have been active in getting a change, and when their particular design were turned down, they become naysayers. I'd say the senior statesmen have acted responsibly, they participated during discussion without taking sides, and voted according to their own convictions. Can't say much about the Premier, we are lucky to have him. Ben-Ard
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 24, 2012 3:17:38 GMT -6
Can I vote? I'm CONTRA on this. If you wish to claim a seat in the Cleivi, sure you can. Since you are not a member of the Cabana, I'm not sure how you can vote... on the other hand, Vrarißa Bronþevour likes the new flag, but not being a member, she can't vote. But any citizen who desires to be is a member of the Cabana/Cleivi. If Vrarißa likes, she can also claim her place in the Cleivi and vote on this bill at any moment.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 24, 2012 7:17:43 GMT -6
Can I vote? I'm CONTRA on this. If you wish to claim a seat in the Cleivi, sure you can. Since you are not a member of the Cabana, I'm not sure how you can vote... on the other hand, Vrarißa Bronþevour likes the new flag, but not being a member, she can't vote. But any citizen who desires to be is a member of the Cabana/Cleivi. If Vrarißa likes, she can also claim her place in the Cleivi and vote on this bill at any moment. As a principle, and past norm, the Premier authorises such desire and claims. Till such time it is done, it would not be proper to vote. People here have been made to wait for days, and even months till such claims were authorised. Hence, in case a few claims are allowed in a flash, by our otherwise truant Premier, we'd all smell fish.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Oct 24, 2012 16:27:29 GMT -6
I now change my vote to PER on this.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Oct 24, 2012 16:39:03 GMT -6
Please add me as a co-sponsor. Thanks.
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Post by Eiric Biançéu on Oct 24, 2012 17:15:15 GMT -6
I vote a solid and complete PER!!!
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Oct 25, 2012 16:13:07 GMT -6
Can I vote? I'm CONTRA on this. If you wish to claim a seat in the Cleivi, sure you can. Since you are not a member of the Cabana, I'm not sure how you can vote... on the other hand, Vrarißa Bronþevour likes the new flag, but not being a member, she can't vote. But any citizen who desires to be is a member of the Cabana/Cleivi. If Vrarißa likes, she can also claim her place in the Cleivi and vote on this bill at any moment. This may not be the place for this discussion, but shouldn't it be a little more complicated than this? I'm all for open government, and if we have an open Cabana thats great! It just makes the notion of referendums to the citizens moot.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 26, 2012 2:46:33 GMT -6
Ours is a semi -open government with certain citizens claiming responsibility for the same from time to time. In case we have an open house, we may find people missing from action at most times, and just popping out (may be in numbers) at times and voting PER/ CONTRA as may be requested by some. We'd not like a system of POCKET VOTES to dictate our provincial government.
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Post by Danihel Txechescu on Oct 26, 2012 16:12:49 GMT -6
Ours is a semi -open government with certain citizens claiming responsibility for the same from time to time. In case we have an open house, we may find people missing from action at most times, and just popping out (may be in numbers) at times and voting PER/ CONTRA as may be requested by some. We'd not like a system of POCKET VOTES to dictate our provincial government. Are you implying or proposing that some Maricopans are less so than others?, that some Maricopans have fewer rights than others?
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Oct 26, 2012 16:19:19 GMT -6
Ours is a semi -open government with certain citizens claiming responsibility for the same from time to time. In case we have an open house, we may find people missing from action at most times, and just popping out (may be in numbers) at times and voting PER/ CONTRA as may be requested by some. We'd not like a system of POCKET VOTES to dictate our provincial government. Are you implying or proposing that some Maricopans are less so than others?, that some Maricopans have fewer rights than others? Don't know if you're responding to me or him, but all I was saying was that it makes the whole notion of having referendums moot. For that matter, if we have an open government, what is the point of having a legislature? As Ben-Ard suggested, a way of keeping our Cabana would be to require some sort of method to weed out the Cabana members from the rest. His suggestion, which I agree with the point behind it, would also keep open referendums, which would allow for all Maricopans, even non-active ones, to vote on.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 26, 2012 19:45:23 GMT -6
We'd not like a system of POCKET VOTES to dictate our provincial government. What pocket votes are you talking about? Besides, Wittenberg/=Talossa.
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 26, 2012 20:28:30 GMT -6
We'd not like a system of POCKET VOTES to dictate our provincial government. What pocket votes are you talking about? Besides, Wittenberg/=Talossa. Pocket votes here in Talossan would mean voters who would generally be absent during day to day Talossan life and returning back on the insistence of certain Talossans to vote on a particular bill one way or the other (as per instruction). This is an unhealthy practice, and hard to weed off. The proposal made by me means that the prospective voter would have to compulsorily visit the Witt for atleast 3-4 days in a span of 8 days so that (s)he becomes a semi-regular before such a person can be allowed to cast the vote. In fact this should also be used in the General Election of the nation, so that allegations of 'PV' against the ruling RUMP is also rendered toothless. Had I been a MC, would have hoopered such a legislation immediately.
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Oct 27, 2012 5:20:39 GMT -6
Pocket votes here in Talossan would mean voters who would generally be absent during day to day Talossan life and returning back on the insistence of certain Talossans to vote on a particular bill one way or the other (as per instruction). Right, so who is instructing pocket votes in Maricopa? In whose pocket are they? And once again, Wittenberg does not equal Talossa. Our nation is not an online forum. I would strongly oppose any attempt to use Witt activity as the measure for one's Talossanity (or Maricopanicity). In fact, I think we should make our provincial institutions LESS dependent on Wittenberg (like providing notice of and ability to cast Cleivi votes via e-mail).
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Post by Béneditsch Ardpresteir, O.SPM. on Oct 27, 2012 7:15:37 GMT -6
Pocket votes here in Talossan would mean voters who would generally be absent during day to day Talossan life and returning back on the insistence of certain Talossans to vote on a particular bill one way or the other (as per instruction). Right, so who is instructing pocket votes in Maricopa? In whose pocket are they? And once again, Wittenberg does not equal Talossa. Our nation is not an online forum. I would strongly oppose any attempt to use Witt activity as the measure for one's Talossanity (or Maricopanicity). In fact, I think we should make our provincial institutions LESS dependent on Wittenberg (like providing notice of and ability to cast Cleivi votes via e-mail). I do not allege, I simple say that this may be alleged because of the way things may operate if we have an open house Cabana. I am open to email voting too - but it has to transparent (no secret votings) and we may have a community email id forwarding the same to all Maricopan members. Or else the intention of the voter may be disclosed on the Witt by the Premier (which is fine by all standards as we do not expect honourable Maricopans to blatantly lie).
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Oct 27, 2012 8:26:49 GMT -6
I agree that secret voting is improper as no legislature I am aware if has secret ballots. It might be a conversation worth having to change our system if how members enter the Cabana. No one can simply claim a seat in the Cosa like we do in the Maricopan legislature.
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