RUMP Campaign Underway

[Hooligan]

May 15, 2012 9:05:25 GMT -6 Ián B. Anglatzarâ said:

So stop this stupid "closed" business already. It's that innovation that causes the problem. That was only invented to prevent the insurgent hotbed Cézembre (as it was perceived by the king) from growing too strong.

Ending the closure business is another possible approach to the problem, sure. This may help all future citizens be sure to join their geographical neighbours' province, but just doing so will not redress the current situation.

In order to address the current situation, we would also have to allow citizens to freely change provinces to the province they should have been assigned to had they not slipped. But try to convince XPB to leave Cézembre. He has loved that place ever since becoming a citizen.

But just ending closure will also tend to doom some provinces to ignonimity. The only reason that they are even fairly close in size right now is because of slippage. If we remove slippage, Vuode may never ever have a chance to get as big as the others. The world of potential Talossans is far from easy to equitably divide into eight piles.

(( Hool ))

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 14, 2012 19:55:44 GMT -6 Benedict Stamford said:

Vote RUMP! It's not like anyone else has any ideas.

Brace yourself for the ZRT campaign because there will be no shortage of ideas there.

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

May 15, 2012 9:17:09 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

May 15, 2012 9:05:25 GMT -6 Ián B. Anglatzarâ said:

In order to address the current situation, we would also have to allow citizens to freely change provinces to the province they should have been assigned to had they not slipped. But try to convince XPB to leave Cézembre. He has loved that place ever since becoming a citizen.

It would have to be optional, of course. I don't like forced reassignment of citizens. And this is not a binary situation. The more we can group people together based on their chances to meet in real life, the better, even if we fail to go the whole way.

May 15, 2012 9:17:09 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

But just ending closure will also tend to doom some provinces to ignonimity. The only reason that they are even fairly close in size right now is because of slippage. If we remove slippage, Vuode may never ever have a chance to get as big as the others. The world of potential Talossans is far from easy to equitably divide into eight piles.

In most countries I am aware of, provinces/states are not very equal in size. As a Derivatist, the notion has a certain appeal to me, despite some organizational drawbacks.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

How would the RUMP ensure the cultural distinctiveness of each province if they abolish the geographical assignment laws?

(Oh it's been a long time since I was in a debate about geographical assignment laws!)

[Vitxalmour Conductour]

May 15, 2012 9:03:11 GMT -6 Ián B. Anglatzarâ said:

I, on the other hand, consider Fiôvâ a flawed province which I hope will be integrated into the geographical assignment system as soon as possible. It is indeed an Internet club of likeminded, I agree, and that's a bad thing.

I apologize for the confrontational nature of my previous statement. While I would still consider your involvment with Fiôvâ, given your statements here, to be mildly hypocritical, I can't begrudge you that, as my involvment with RUMP is equally hypocritical, given my personal views on political party systems. For what it is worth, I 'm more in the reform camp than the abolishment camp.

[Hooligan]

May 15, 2012 10:11:36 GMT -6 C. Carlüs Xheraltescù said:

How would the RUMP ensure the cultural distinctiveness of each province if they abolish the geographical assignment laws?

The RUMP would not. But the provinces would (and RUMPers within each province, I hope, would, and would be encouraged to do so). For example, Benitians Iason Taiwos and Vitxalmour Conductour have spoken to me of their plan to grow Benito province through recruitment, and would hold meetings at a local Italian restaurant. It would be completely up to each province's citizens to maintain their cultural identity, just as it is right now.

In theory, people who are enamored of Italian stuff would join Benito without having to move to Italy (or Ohio) first. People who are more Latin American or Iberian in their tastes might choose Maricopa. Right now, we have people forced into Maricopa who might hate tacos and paella and would rather eat pasta and pesto.

I would think allowing each province to sell its particular culture to every immigrant will not only strengthen the cultural identity of each province, but also give provinces something to compete over, and competition is good.

(Oh it's been a long time since I was in a debate about geographical assignment laws!)

Making you some new good memories, I hope! :-)

(( Hool ))

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

And what if prospective citizens make the wrong (or make an ill-informed) choice? After two weeks, can it be expected that a prospective knows which province will be the most culturally compatible? What will you do to safeguard the process from falling victim to such eventualities?

[Ián B. Anglatzarâ]

May 15, 2012 10:16:10 GMT -6 Vitxalmour Conductour said:

I apologize for the confrontational nature of my previous statement.

Apology much appreciated but as I err in this respect myself when VITAL and IMPORTANT issues that spell the potential DOOM OF TALOSSA are discussed, I would be a hypocrite if I took offence.

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

Given that the cultural identities of the provinces are sometimes hard to detect with the naked eye, it might make sense to grow such identities by allowing for likeminded people that gather together in the province of their choice, at least for a while.

@ Carlüs: I already hinted that it might be a good idea to delay the decision for one's province of choice for a while, until an immigrant feels fit for making a decision. Or one might allow all Talossans who are but assigned to a province to reconsider their assignment every once in a while.

One might find that the Maricopan food is wonderful, while the Maricopan music sucks, for example (no offence to the Maricopans, temporarily I am one of them, the Citizenship roll says - and coincidentally I like Spanish food and some kinds of Latin American music).

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

Anyway, "derivatist" question: How are other countries dealing with citizens who are living abroad? A quick web search brought back the result that in Germany, German citizens who are living abroad may be registered at the place of their most recent residence in Germany, when it comes to acting their civil rights in federal elections. Germans without a registered place of residence may chose a place "where they are usually living", when it comes to signing in for state elections, at least a web page of Saxony seemed to say so.

So how is it elsewhere? Is there a derivatable role model for Talossa, a country where the majority of the people is living abroad?

[Hooligan]

May 15, 2012 11:31:24 GMT -6 Ián B. Anglatzarâ said:

Apology much appreciated but as I err in this respect myself when VITAL and IMPORTANT issues that spell the potential DOOM OF TALOSSA are discussed, I would be a hypocrite if I took offence.

This statement cracked me up. I think no matter what we do with catchment areas (keep them, drop them, change them, whatever), Talossa will survive just fine. Doomsday isn't on the horizon either way. (And yes, I know — or at least I think! — that Ián wasn't saying that this particular issue should be considered to be one of those dreaded issues.)

(( Hool ))

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Just an idea- What if we assigned new immigrants to Provinces as we do now, and in 180 days they are allowed a one-time reassignment to a different Province.

As people move around their countries ( and continents ) and resettle, we should offer out new citizens that possibility.

[C. Carlüs Xheraltescù]

May 15, 2012 14:18:32 GMT -6 Capt. Sir Mick Preston said:

Just an idea- What if we assigned new immigrants to Provinces as we do now, and in 180 days they are allowed a one-time reassignment to a different Province.

As people move around their countries ( and continents ) and resettle, we should offer out new citizens that possibility.

Now that's an idea that I actually quite like.

[Hooligan]

Oh come on, dudes (especially you, Mick, calling yourself a RUMPer)! Couldn't you have waited until the RUMP fulfills its platform pledge by Hoppering what the platform says we'll Hopper and then working on it and suggesting improvements? The whole thing is a conspiracy, I tell ya, so that the opposition can look back and say, "that's not what you ended up proposing; you lied in your platform!" :-)

(( Hool ))

[D. N. Vercáriâ]

Solutions like this have been proposed every so often in the Republic, and every so often they were rejected as some kind of Peculiarist Heresy That Will Kill Talossa In The End.