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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 0:51:43 GMT -6
No I don't mean our King, I mean our current Prime-minister... S:reu Weckstrom. Are you equating King John with Kim Yong Il? I dare say, tread lightly in the path you are going down. To compare Talossa with a Totalitarian Dictatorship - and King John with a group of Despots - Gives your firing as an Ambassador more credence. I personally would not want you to represent Talossa, if you felt King John was a Tyrant.
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2009 0:52:41 GMT -6
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 22, 2009 1:00:12 GMT -6
No I don't mean our King, I mean our current Prime-minister... S:reu Weckstrom. Are you equating King John with Kim Yong Il? I dare say, tread lightly in the path you are going down. To compare Talossa with a Totalitarian Dictatorship - and King John with a group of Despots - Gives your firing as an Ambassador more credence. I personally would not want you to represent Talossa, if you felt King John was a Tyrant. Then you need to amend your previous comment. And if you are going to make those same verbal attacks on the Seneschal - who all agree is the Boss of your Boss... Then my previous statement stands. If you cannot support the current Seneschal, then you should let his removal from your office stand, and you should be quite pleased about it. Your office as Ambassador is ceremonial, and a should have been considered a compliment. Your removal , with a new Seneschal, should have been expected. Every new leader of a government traditionally asks for the resignation of all of the previous Ministers and Secretaries. You serve at the discretion of the Seneschal. That's just the raw, unabridged truth. |
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 1:01:21 GMT -6
No I don't mean our King, I mean our current Prime-minister... Doesn't change the fact that this: What you talk of is countries with ancient laws, ruled by Kings, or Generals, or other tyrants = where one person has absolute power. Unfortunately, Talossa falls into this category... With North Korea, Burma, Iran, Bhutan, DRC, Libya, Zimbabwe... still came out of your mouth keyboard. Regardless of your relationship (or lack thereof) with the Principality of New Texas, I must restate what others have said: a man who holds his government in such contempt can hardly be fit to represent it to another. Thanks much  |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 1:02:39 GMT -6
I just think he doesn't know what "absolute power" means. Here's a hint: it's not having the power to fire people in ceremonial positions when charges are filed against them in criminal court.
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 1:03:43 GMT -6
I just think he doesn't know what "absolute power" means. Here's a hint: it's not having the power to fire people in ceremonial positions when charges are filed against them in criminal court. ... ... ... I'd like to use one of my lifelines, please. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 1:08:35 GMT -6
Sir, I agree with you completely. It is only the way the new PM went about his new business. He could have kindly, respectfully asked for my resignation from the post (recall of appointment), rather than say that I'm "fired for cause", and I should expect criminal charges. (I don't think B. Obama recalled the US Ambassador from Finland with a message that she's FIRED, but with respects and thanks a recall was issued) Now if these criminal charges are known to the PM and the Courts, then they should also be heard in Court - and in my opinion openly for all to hear. And to make it clear; I do not compare our most Honorable King to any tyrant. I compare our PM to tyrants. It is my personal opinion, and as far as I know I am still entitled to my opinions - unless the laws have again changed? I also refer to the UN Charter on Human Rights. No I don't mean our King, I mean our current Prime-minister... Doesn't change the fact that this: still came out of your mouth keyboard. Regardless of your relationship (or lack thereof) with the Principality of New Texas, I must restate what others have said: a man who holds his government in such contempt can hardly be fit to represent it to another. Thanks much |
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2009 1:08:59 GMT -6
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 1:15:23 GMT -6
I agree with you completely. It is only the way the new PM went about his new business. He could have kindly, respectfully asked for my resignation from the post (recall of appointment), rather than say that I'm "fired for cause", and I should expect criminal charges. (I don't think B. Obama recalled the US Ambassador from Finland with a message that she's FIRED, but with respects and thanks a recall was issued) Fair enough. But as many among us know, you were under investigation at the time. While the Prime Minister's wording may or may not have been perfect (I'm not sure, I haven't seen the message. I doubt any of us have), the fact remains that he holds the legal right to remove Ambassadors from office without the requirement of a specific reason. And to make it clear; I do not compare our most Honorable King to any tyrant. I compare our PM to tyrants. It is my personal opinion, and as far as I know I am still entitled to my opinions - unless the laws have again changed? I also refer to the UN Charter on Human Rights. Certainly not. But you should keep in mind that vocalizing such strongly-worded condemnations of the government just might invalidate you from being awarded office. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 1:18:42 GMT -6
Sir, I agree with you completely. It is only the way the new PM went about his new business. He could have kindly, respectfully asked for my resignation from the post (recall of appointment), rather than say that I'm "fired for cause", and I should expect criminal charges. ... Now if these criminal charges are known to the PM and the Courts, then they should also be heard in Court - and in my opinion openly for all to hear. I am no longer in the administration, so now I feel free to tell you that I was the one in the Prime Ministry who took the initiative, wrote the message, and actively fired you. It was in the Prime Minister's name and after clearing it with him, but it was me all down the line. And I did so in what was perhaps a brusque manner, but far from rude. I thanked you for your service and informed you of your dismissal. When you asked further, I told you why. The government remains incapable of forcing the Cort to do anything when it comes to accepting or denying the charges, as has been patiently explained to you many times. Like you, we must wait for them to decide whether to hear the case. Let me say right now, though: if possible, I would fire you again right now, for the disrespect you have shown my country. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 1:37:47 GMT -6
Excuse me??! YOUR COUNTRY? Was it one of the one's mentioned as a tyrannical, totalitarian state, such as Burma? Or are you speaking of Talossa, which is also MY country? If a person cannot have opinions, that goes against the status quo or against the policies of other parties, then there is no political freedom in Talossa. And to make it clear now: I am not seeking re-appointment as Ambassador, or any other diplomatic post! All it has gotten me is the wrath of Talossans. As your Ambassador I have NOT broken any laws according to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic or Consular Affairs. Be it then bad luck, that New Texas contacted the diplomatic mission, that lead to all this - then so be it. But what would you have said if I told you that an actual UN recognized country's embassy contacted the diplomatic mission? Would I then have been "a good envoy" for Talossa? It is hardly my fault that New Texas contacted me through the diplomatic missions website. You should also know that after I was fired for cause, the embassy received numerous emails from both private persons and micronations, all of which then went unanswered, which certainly goes to show how isolated this nation of ours is. All the emails where automatically deleted in 24 hours. Many of them would have been from Finnish citizens wanting to join Talossa... So Barack Obama said it; it's time for a change - he's right. Talossa must also change. What chances do we have of joining UNPO if we cannot even handle our own internal affairs, and by that I mean our Justice System! It is simply put - pitiful! One must wait for over a year to have one's case heard - or even to know IF it will be heard... In any case - this thing is getting old - and there is no end to it. This thread could go on and on until proboards.com eventually closes as lycos.co.uk did... Signing off... Tony WeckströmPresident of the DPD Ex-Royal Ambassador Most Hated in Talossa Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium PauperumSir, I agree with you completely. It is only the way the new PM went about his new business. He could have kindly, respectfully asked for my resignation from the post (recall of appointment), rather than say that I'm "fired for cause", and I should expect criminal charges. ... Now if these criminal charges are known to the PM and the Courts, then they should also be heard in Court - and in my opinion openly for all to hear. I am no longer in the administration, so now I feel free to tell you that I was the one in the Prime Ministry who took the initiative, wrote the message, and actively fired you. It was in the Prime Minister's name and after clearing it with him, but it was me all down the line. And I did so in what was perhaps a brusque manner, but far from rude. I thanked you for your service and informed you of your dismissal. When you asked further, I told you why. The government remains incapable of forcing the Cort to do anything when it comes to accepting or denying the charges, as has been patiently explained to you many times. Like you, we must wait for them to decide whether to hear the case. Let me say right now, though: if possible, I would fire you again right now, for the disrespect you have shown my country. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 1:47:09 GMT -6
Excuse me??! YOUR COUNTRY? Was it one of the one's mentioned as a tyrannical, totalitarian state, such as Burma? Or are you speaking of Talossa, which is also MY country? I'm speaking of Talossa, which is my country. I wonder if it's yours, given how you don't consider it "civilized." If a person cannot have opinions, that goes against the status quo or against the policies of other parties, then there is no political freedom in Talossa. Of course you can have opinions. You can also be fired for having those opinions, especially if they extend to public comparisons of Talossa with North Korea and Burma. And to make it clear now: I am not seeking re-appointment as Ambassador, or any other diplomatic post! All it has gotten me is the wrath of Talossans. As your Ambassador I have NOT broken any laws according to the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic or Consular Affairs. Surprisingly, we have other laws other than that. Be it then bad luck, that New Texas contacted the diplomatic mission, that lead to all this - then so be it. But what would you have said if I told you that an actual UN recognized country's embassy contacted the diplomatic mission? Would I then have been "a good envoy" for Talossa? Clearly not, and I guess we're lucky they didn't contact you. Preferably they would speak to an ambassador who liked Talossa. You should also know that after I was fired for cause, the embassy received numerous emails from both private persons and micronations, all of which then went unanswered, which certainly goes to show how isolated this nation of ours is. All the emails where automatically deleted in 24 hours. Many of them would have been from Finnish citizens wanting to join Talossa... You didn't forward these on to the Foreign Ministry or Prime Ministry, but just let them go unanswered and then deleted them? |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 1:56:54 GMT -6
As I was FIRED I was no longer under the authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, just a "regular joe"... I closed the embassy website. Emails were automatically rejected, and deleted from the server in 24 hours. I did not read them, as I never saw them. Had I still held my position, it would have been my duty to forward them to the Foreign Ministry, but as I was no longer an official for Talossa, I had no authority to even read emails meant for Talossan officials... It's your own fault that you have no representation in Finland anymore... Many people must have wondered why the Embassy website suddenly closed and was deleted... Thank your PM for that. Excuse me??! YOUR COUNTRY? Was it one of the one's mentioned as a tyrannical, totalitarian state, such as Burma? Or are you speaking of Talossa, which is also MY country? I'm speaking of Talossa, which is my country. I wonder if it's yours, given how you don't consider it "civilized." Of course you can have opinions. You can also be fired for having those opinions, especially if they extend to public comparisons of Talossa with North Korea and Burma. Surprisingly, we have other laws other than that. Clearly not, and I guess we're lucky they didn't contact you. Preferably they would speak to an ambassador who liked Talossa. You should also know that after I was fired for cause, the embassy received numerous emails from both private persons and micronations, all of which then went unanswered, which certainly goes to show how isolated this nation of ours is. All the emails where automatically deleted in 24 hours. Many of them would have been from Finnish citizens wanting to join Talossa... You didn't forward these on to the Foreign Ministry or Prime Ministry, but just let them go unanswered and then deleted them? |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 6:12:12 GMT -6
As I was FIRED I was no longer under the authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, just a "regular joe"... I closed the embassy website. Emails were automatically rejected, and deleted from the server in 24 hours. I did not read them, as I never saw them. Had I still held my position, it would have been my duty to forward them to the Foreign Ministry, but as I was no longer an official for Talossa, I had no authority to even read emails meant for Talossan officials... No, I understand. You were already fired. Really, massively, super-fired. But it was a pretty terrible thing to do to Talossa, if it's true. |
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jun 22, 2009 7:20:02 GMT -6
What chances do we have of joining UNPO if we cannot even handle our own internal affairs, and by that I mean our Justice System! It is simply put - pitiful! One must wait for over a year to have one's case heard - or even to know IF it will be heard... Whether or not you committed the crimes alleged against you or not, you fine well know the laws of Talossa. There is not a statute of limitations pertaining to the length of time you will await trial (im guessing this is down to the fact that many thousands of guilty criminals the world over walk free merely because the courts didn't try them in time). I wonder if I go back in time on Witt if I will find a single post made by yourself disagreeing with the Justice system, or if it is only now that you have a problem with the system, since your up against it. |
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