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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Jun 21, 2009 22:28:53 GMT -6
"Finland has the most Internet-users per citizen in the World. " Staying out of this but what exactly does that mean? I think he means "per capita." |
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Vit Caçeir
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 21, 2009 23:19:11 GMT -6
Now we've reached legitimate points that are actually worthy of debate. But Finland is more than a little town. Finland has the most Internet-users per citizen in the World. And btw, I don't live in Turku, but in Helsinki (the capital city). Naturally. (If you've got references on Internet users per capita, I'd be interested to see them). But at the same time, if I understand correctly proxies tend not to work with programmes like Alexa, which I'm pretty sure the Courts made use of. And IP Addresse locations aren't always precise, often times it depends on the programme used. I can't claim to know the distance between Turku and Helsinki, but when I was living in Austria, I lived in Salzburg, while my IP Addresse claimed to be in Innsbruck. Likewise, here in the United States, I live in Gurnee, Illinois, whereas my IP Addresse claims to be in Lake Geneva, Wisconsin. Take for example www.hacks4sale.com Their IP shows that the servers is in the Netherlands, but they operate in Portugal. The location of a server is in no way beyond a reasonable doubt the actual location of the people behind the domain!!! Wouldn't you agree with that? Yes, but at the same time it seems odd to me that the New Texas website, which follows the similar grammatical style as your own (no doubt caused by a very limited language barrier) Please also note, that the Head-of-State for New Texas is called Prince Anthony. My name is Tony, and not Anthony. I don't think the Head-of-State for New Texas would use a false name Tony is a shortened form of Anthony, but I still consider it an invalid point. I'd have to disagree with this statement, though. Considering that most micronations are "games", or variants thereof, I believe it very likely that they'd use aliases. - so if it comes down to it - I'll prove my identity by sending the Courts a scan of my driving license or passport!!! While no doubt a noble gesture, I can't see what good this would do unless we contacted Prince Anthony and had him send his corresponding documents, which could easily be falsified. at least until the Courts have heard my case, or my representation in the Cosa is no longer needed. I still fall back on my assertion that you don't respond to Court requests. Forgive me if I'm remembering incorrectly, but I seem to recall you declaring the Court's decision to suspend your title invalid and declaring yourself still to be the Ambassador. I find it sickening how people around here treat each other with lies and innuendos, the ugly sarcastic blows punched in the gut all the time. Something I'll admit to being guilty of. I use my real name here, and that should be required of all, not hiding behind an obscure variation of the Talossan language - at least members of Government should use their real names, normal citizens I don't mind using their Talossan names... I must disagree with this, particularly strongly. The concept of using Talossan names is for protection over the internet, especially in a world where so much can be learned simply through searching for one's name on google or yahoo. A citizen's given name is on private file in the government; that alone should be enough for everyone, besides those with malicious intent. Lastly, I'd like to note that I think the reason a lot of people view your claims as illegitimate is because neither you nor those people from 'New Texas' can seem to provide an explanation as to why they, a Finland based server, would contact the Ambassador to Finland, rather than the State Department directly. It could just be another failure of micronational governments... but to most people with an 8th Grade Education it just seems fishy as hell, is all. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 21, 2009 23:40:29 GMT -6
The Courts NEVER asked me to resign, nor to give any statement. It was the almighty Prime-minister, who fired me "for cause" - without giving a reason for what that cause might be - other than saying that I will be charged with a crime, or several crimes.
But I grow weary of this conversation with you 
I call upon the Courts to take this matter forward, and either charge me with a crime, openly for everyone to see, or have the government issue me a formal apology. I will not continue this discussion with you in regards to IP's ID's, micronations etc. (BTW: Talossa is generally known EVERYWHERE as a micronation). And for the record: I couldn't care less about New Texas, Principality of Hutt River, Rhodesia, Elsanor, Dominion of British West Florida, Molossia, etc...Tony WeckströmPresident of the DPD Ex-Royal Ambassador
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 21, 2009 23:47:52 GMT -6
The Courts NEVER asked me to resign, nor to give any statement. It was the almighty Prime-minister, who fired me "for cause" - without giving a reason for what that cause might be - other than saying that I will be charged with a crime, or several crimes. A right which Lord Hooligan reserved as Prime Minister. I will not continue this discussion with you in regards to IP's ID's, micronations etc. Your choice. (BTW: Talossa is generally known EVERYWHERE as a micronation). While this may be true, our formal isolationist policy has kept us out of those ruddy little spats other micronations call wars, the unpredictable and volatile world of micronational diplomacy, and has granted us, quite frankly, an unprecedented level of stability and functionability beyond that of any other working "micronation". To my knowledge, the Kingdom (and the Republic, I suppose) are the only two "micronations" with functioning parliamentary governments (not counting 'sock puppet' nations). And for the record: I couldn't care less about New Texas, Principality of Hutt River, Rhodesia, Elsanor, Dominion of British West Florida, Molossia, etc... A little dispute between New Texas, Elsanor, British West Florida, and my own former 'micronation' is the main reason I'm so against involvement in the micronational world. Long story short, 'New Texas' was being really anal about formal diplomacy, or something like that. They "declared war", Elsanor and my own state "declared war back", and it threw everyone's credibility and stability out the window, and I'm pretty sure none of them really actually exist anymore. It is, for lack of a better term, stupid. Those nasty little things are best left to themselves. Kind of like eggplants. |
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 0:10:26 GMT -6
Listen now boy (only 16). It was not the Honorable Lord Hooligan who fired me! It was this current Prime-minister! For the love of Christ in heaven... Age =/= Wisdom. My mistake, knowledge of your political record isn't exactly my forte. Either way, it's a right that Prime Minister Ventrutx still reserves. And now you say you have been involved in other micronations yourself. How do we, the people of Talossa know that you're not still a member of a micronation?  My dearest Finnish colleague, those issues were resolved even before my citizenship application was accepted. If you want to question my legitimacy, take it up with them. However, you probably would've known this already if you showed up more than twice a year, and discussed things in the Cosa besides New Texas and how much the RUMP sucks. donate some money for the campaign! ;D Besides the 20 USD required for Party Registration, what on earth kind of campaign funds would you need? |
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 22, 2009 0:24:09 GMT -6
Just as a point of fact, for everyone. Ambasadors are granted their Papers through the Foreign Minister ( www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Statute&act=36RZ17 ) : "The Foreign Minister, heading the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who shall provide diplomatic relations between the Kingdom and the other nations of the world. The Ministrà dels Afáes Útphätseschti (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) shall establish and maintain all embassies, consulates, and other missions to foreign states, and shall provide each with properly accredited diplomatic or consular staff (including ambassadors, consuls, attachés, spies, and other officers) and administrative and technical staff. " The Foreign Minister is appointed by the Seneschal ( www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Cabinet ) At any given time, the Seneschal can ask for any Ambassador to be removed, without giving reason. If the Foreign Minister declines, the Seneschal can sack the the Foreign Minister. There is no dictate to provide cause. The Seneschal can also sack the Ambassador directly. So, while S:reu Weckstrom may object to his ouster as an Ambassador, the Seneschal broke no laws in doing so. ======================================= I normally do not like to discuss political items during a General Election month - I do feel I need to point out certain items for clarity. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 0:27:25 GMT -6
Well, what you said was common knowledge... It doesn't quite work that way in the real world, but Talossa has it's own laws. Oh, btw, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was very lazy in issuing any diplomatic accreditation documents - in fact I never received them by mail or fax. Only through this forum was I notified of being posted as Ambassador to Finland. I then immediately opened an embassy website, and went on to promote Talossa - then got fired "for cause", then got accused of crimes... A very dignified treatment all in all ;D Just as a point of fact, for everyone. Ambasadors are granted their Papers through the Foreign Minister ( www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Statute&act=36RZ17 ) : "The Foreign Minister, heading the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, who shall provide diplomatic relations between the Kingdom and the other nations of the world. The Ministrà dels Afáes Útphätseschti (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) shall establish and maintain all embassies, consulates, and other missions to foreign states, and shall provide each with properly accredited diplomatic or consular staff (including ambassadors, consuls, attachés, spies, and other officers) and administrative and technical staff. " The Foreign Minister is appointed by the Seneschal ( www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=Cabinet ) At any given time, the Seneschal can ask for any Ambassador to be removed, without giving reason. If the Foreign Minister declines, the Seneschal can sack the the Foreign Minister. There is no dictate to provide cause. The Seneschal can also sack the Ambassador directly. So, while S:reu Weckstrom may object to his ouster as an Ambassador, the Seneschal broke no laws in doing so. ======================================= I normally do not like to discuss political items during a General Election month - I do feel I need to point out certain items for clarity. |
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jun 22, 2009 0:32:13 GMT -6
Well, what you said was common knowledge... It doesn't quite work that way in the real world, but Talossa has it's own laws. Well, actually it works that way in a number of countries. Edited: I asked a question here but I'm taking it back. Im refusing to get involved in this discussion any further. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 0:37:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure we would have wanted to keep around an ambassador who holds his country in such contempt, even if we're not in the "real world."
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"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 0:40:08 GMT -6
Thank you for the clarification, Capt. Preston. That being said, my point remains. It doesn't quite work that way in the real world, but Talossa has it's own laws. I must cite S:r Grischun and agree with him, as well. Rather than losing credibility by angirly posting your concerns and talking in circles, I feel a more useful way of channeling your disdain would be to try and secure a multipartisan bill that modifies the laws you hate. I can't speak for others, but I'd be more than willing to discuss this at a more formal, professional level. |
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 0:42:53 GMT -6
It takes a prime-minister and the foreign minister to recall or fire an ambassador. (In what we would call civilized countries). What you talk of is countries with ancient laws, ruled by Kings, or Generals, or other tyrants = where one person has absolute power. Unfortunately, Talossa falls into this category... With North Korea, Burma, Iran, Bhutan, DRC, Libya, Zimbabwe... Well, what you said was common knowledge... It doesn't quite work that way in the real world, but Talossa has it's own laws. Well, actually it works that way in a number of countries. |
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Vit Caçeir
"I hated being AG so much I fled as far from it as literally possible."
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Post by Vit Caçeir on Jun 22, 2009 0:44:47 GMT -6
And that, my friends, marks the birth of a new stereotype:
The self-hating Talossan.
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Post by Mr. Tony Weckström on Jun 22, 2009 0:48:25 GMT -6
Don't hate yourself too much - remember you're still the only Austrian person. Ever. ;D And that, my friends, marks the birth of a new stereotype: The self-hating Talossan. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 22, 2009 0:48:32 GMT -6
It takes a prime-minister and the foreign minister to recall or fire an ambassador. (In what we would call civilized countries). What you talk of is countries with ancient laws, ruled by Kings, or Generals, or other tyrants = where one person has absolute power. Unfortunately, Talossa falls into this category... With North Korea, Burma, Iran, Bhutan, DRC, Libya, Zimbabwe... Wow. Just had to quote that in case you edited it later. |
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Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 22, 2009 0:50:01 GMT -6
S:reu Weckstrom.
Are you equating King John with Kim Yong Il?
I dare say, tread lightly in the path you are going down.
To compare Talossa with a Totalitarian Dictatorship - and King John with a group of Despots -
Gives your firing as an Ambassador more credence.
I personally would not want you to represent Talossa, if you felt King John was a Tyrant.
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