The Corperative Chamber

[EM Vürinalt]

As elections draw to a close, I would like to take this time to create an "official" thread for the Corperative Chamber.

Elections are over on Monday (January 14th), thus, this thread should become active on or after then.

If possible, this thread should be limited only to the members of the Corperative Chamber. If you are not a member of the Corperative Chamber, we ask you to post your thoughts in the Provincial Hopper board for consideration.

This is where it all happens. Bills are proposed, most die, some pass, others collect dust. This is where the action is.

[EM Vürinalt]

Here is the seat layout so far for the Corperative Chamber (in the term of the 38th Cosa):

The election results were thus:
From nine (9) votes, divided among the following parties by percentage:

PRESENT	2
LRT	3
DPD	2
RUMP	2

In the following term of the Corperative Chamber, this will be the number of seats assigned to each party:

LRT	3
DPD	2
RUMP	2

There are two (2) contested seats left by those who voted "present." For now, these seats shall not be apportioned to a specific party, as this is a topic which must be covered in the Provincial Constitution.

The current seat holders for the Corperative Chamber are:

LRT:	~S:reu Matáiwos Vürinalt (2)	S:reu Éovart Caçeir(1)
RUMP:	Bleic'h Spenséir Iánescu(1)	Capitán Tímoþi Asmourescu (1)
DPD:	Corrine de Winter (1)	Enríc (Enrí) Válbuérg(1)

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

S:reu Assemblyman, I apologize for butting in on this dedicated thread, but I am curious as to how you arrived at the total number of seats for the Chamber? The previous rule of thumb had been to assign one seat per vote, so for nine votes there would be nine seats.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

Actually, via the Provincial Unshackling laws, there are as many seats in the Provincial Governments as there are people who vote in that province.

So... for instance. In Vuode, two people voted RUMP, one CCCP, one LRT, and one DPD. So... the RUMP gets 2 seats, and the CCCP, LRT, and DPD get one each. Currently yours looks like this:

LRT: Matáiwos Vürinalt, Éovart Caçeir, One vacant (let's hope Breneir remembers to give Flip a seat!)
RUMP: Vacant
DPD: Vacant

I await my being ridiculed on this or being praised for my great knowledge of the law.

[EM Vürinalt]

agbdavis said:

S:reu Assemblyman, I apologize for butting in on this dedicated thread, but I am curious as to how you arrived at the total number of seats for the Chamber? The previous rule of thumb had been to assign one seat per vote, so for nine votes there would be nine seats.

Ah, pardon me, I thought the provincial assembly seats were dished out similar to that of those of the Cosa, which the voter percents for each party being used to determine the number of seats for that party.

If I am mistaken on the matter I will promptly correct it.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

While current law dictates no specified manner, tradition has been for one vote, one seat. This is also for a reasonable practical purpose: provincial politics often realizes assemblies with only single individuals from several parties voting, and doing it this way means that we are not trying to scrounge up midgets to fill 2/3 of a seat or unfairly over-representing parties. Of course, it is all open to change with a constitution if Mussolini wishes to change this.

[EM Vürinalt]

Thank you, S:reu Davis.

As no constitution is passed as of yet, we'll follow tradition. I have made the nessecary changes.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

It is not a percentage- it's 1 man, 1 vote. If a person voted for a party, he gave that "seat" to the party, to allocate as the party wished.

The LRT has 3 seats. DPD and RUMP each have 2. Those that voted "Present" did not allocate their seats to any party.

Since there is no precedent that I can find, at this point I say that those that voted "present" will be allowed to retain their ability to vote in the provincial assemblies.

The "Present" votes will not affect the total number of seats.

Edit for Clarification

[EM Vürinalt]

mick said:

Since there is no precedent that I can find, at this point I say that those that voted 'present" will be allowed to retain their votes in the provincial assemblies.

So they act as "independants" of such?

Thanks again for the clarification, the nessecary changes have been made.

One question, my a person hold more than one seat. As of now S:reu Tzaracomprada has not designated the last seat to the final member of the LRT in this province since we have not recieved clarification from him pertaining to the seat. So would this seat be lost or would we simply meld it together with one other person's total seats?

[Breneir Itravilatx]

I allocated 2 seats to Vuri and 1 to Eovart. Primarily because they have been forceful proponents of the renaissance that is underway in Mussolini. Flip is currently an issues spokesperson, a member-elect of the Cosa and a candidate for the LRT party leadership.

[Sir Alexandreu Davinescu]

Yes, a person may hold multiple seats traditionally, S:reu Vurinalt.

[Capt. Sir Mick Preston]

Again, I'm gonna have to make a judgement call.

If a person does not wish to represent themselves in a provincial assembly, they may allocate their vote to another citizen of the Province.

Boy, was that wrong.

The PA is a parliament of elected representatives, not an assembly of all the people of the province.

The OrgLaw says: "The number of seats for each provincial parliament may be set by a law of the Ziu, or by a law of the Province; but if not set by law shall be equal to the number of votes cast for the provincial parliament. "

So if someone votes Present, his vote doesn't affect the number of seats in the PA. He says "I don't want to strike out, but I'm not going to vote."

So, basically- if they vote 'Present', they do NOT get to have a vote in the Provincial Assemblies.

So ignore a lot of what I posted before.

My Bad.

[EM Vürinalt]

mick said:

Again, I'm gonna have to make a judgement call.

If a person does not wish to represent themselves in a provincial assembly, they may allocate their vote to another citizen of the Province.

Boy, was that wrong.

The PA is a parliament of elected representatives, not an assembly of all the people of the province.

The OrgLaw says: "The number of seats for each provincial parliament may be set by a law of the Ziu, or by a law of the Province; but if not set by law shall be equal to the number of votes cast for the provincial parliament. "

So if someone votes Present, his vote doesn't affect the number of seats in the PA. He says "I don't want to strike out, but I'm not going to vote."

So, basically- if they vote 'Present', they do NOT get to have a vote in the Provincial Assemblies.

So ignore a lot of what I posted before.

My Bad.

The seats have been apportioned according to votes and assigned to the people appointed by their party's leader.

The term will begin as soon as it legally can.

[Vit Caçeir]

edieppe said:

I allocated 2 seats to Vuri and 1 to Eovart. Primarily because they have been forceful proponents of the renaissance that is underway in Mussolini. Flip is currently an issues spokesperson, a member-elect of the Cosa and a candidate for the LRT party leadership.

Firstly I'd like to thank S:reu Tzaracomprada for his kind comments.

Secondly, I'd like to make a suggestion regarding the functioning of the Corporative Chamber. While the Witt is naturally the most obvious place to hold discussions regarding the province, as Capt. Preston's numerous attempts in the Election thread have shown ( ;D), it is very easy for discussions in a thread to get sidetracked and off task, and difficult to remain on task. Might I suggest that we form "live" meetings for assemblies and debates, perhaps through media such as A.I.M., Chatango, or Skype? That way discussions of the Corporative Chamber are less likely to get off track, and it is easier to remain at the task at hand.

I dunno, just an idea.

[Dréu Gavárþic'h]

Perhaps the creation of a Corperative Chamber sub-forum? Where only members of the CC and the Cunstaval can post?