Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 9, 2008 13:44:41 GMT -6
Would it be legal to keep an all vert or all purpure field without having to reverse the colors of the bend and stars?? I'm afraid not, because the problem is that neither vert nor purpure contrasts well with sable (black), because all are colours. You need a colour and a metal to provide good contrast. One option would be to add a fimbriation (thin gold or silver border) to the bend, but that increases complexity. It's still a possible solution if you get rid of either vert or purpure AND either argent or or. So you could have the field vert, the bend sable, and everything else argent, or the field purpure, the bend sable, and everything else or.
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 9, 2008 16:27:07 GMT -6
Hmm, well this is surely much more complex than I have thought. Perhaps we use the Squirrel King at Arms previous post (with the seven stars in the blue field) but make the center star gold?? I would perfer to have some sort of symbol representing my heritage though. So if we could use the preposition by S:reu Betigneir and *gulp* add some kind of Germanic symbol, I'd certainly be pleased. Here's what S:reu Betigneir posted:
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 9, 2008 18:37:29 GMT -6
I wouldn't mind having all vert or all purpure, and I'm open to reversing the tinctures of the bend and the stars. I would perfer to keep my keys and fleur-de-lis, but if they have to be one tincture, I'd certainly like all gold (should the field be purpure) or all silver (if the field be vert). Here are two legal possibilities based on this suggestion from the petitioner: Purpure, between a fleur-de-lis or in chief and a pair of keys saltire or in base, a bendlet or supporting seven Marian mullets sable.
Vert, between a fleur-de-lis argent in chief and a pair of keys saltire argent in base, a bendlet argent supporting seven Marian mullets sable. Both have 3 tinctures, 3 charges and an ordinary, for a total complexity of 7. The balance would be better with either fleur or keys, but these will work. This petition has drifted since I started working on these, but these drafts are still up for consideration. Any thoughts from S:reu Vürinalt? -- Jaune Sabre Herald, Squirrel King at Arms
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 9, 2008 18:47:25 GMT -6
Have you tried a bendlet sable fimbriated argent/or supporting seven Marian mullets argent/or?
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 9, 2008 21:22:25 GMT -6
Ohh!!! I like the green one! Very nice!
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 10, 2008 17:32:43 GMT -6
Have you tried a bendlet sable fimbriated argent/or supporting seven Marian mullets argent/or? Not yet, but if the petitioner requests, I'll be happy to. For the sake of time, I'd rather do this for one design, not both. -- JSH, SKA
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 11, 2008 6:51:35 GMT -6
Have you tried a bendlet sable fimbriated argent/or supporting seven Marian mullets argent/or? Not yet, but if the petitioner requests, I'll be happy to. For the sake of time, I'd rather do this for one design, not both. -- JSH, SKA Like a good investment, this is something that'll stay with me for a long time, I'd love to see Sir Siervicül's idea.
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 11, 2008 7:47:04 GMT -6
Is it a Talossan tradition to use "Sir" with a surname alone? The correct form, in terms of the English knighthood, is Sir Cresti or Sir Trotxa or whatever. In French I have seen it as Seigneur de la Court or whatever, but the connotations are very different there anyway.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 11, 2008 8:25:09 GMT -6
Is it a Talossan tradition to use "Sir" with a surname alone? The correct form, in terms of the English knighthood, is Sir Cresti or Sir Trotxa or whatever. In French I have seen it as Seigneur de la Court or whatever, but the connotations are very different there anyway. The traditions aren't clearly defined, because Talossa isn't rigidly heirarchical and it's traditionally common for Talossans to be on first-name basis with everyone, including the King. For those who like to observe a little more formality, however, the following was proposed for Talossan-language titles a few years ago: Segnor means both "Sir" and "Mister." So Segnor (or S:reu) with a surname should be read as "Mr. Surname," while Segnor with a first name should be read as "Sir Firstname." Of course, that means that "Segnor Firstname Lastname" is ambiguous, and according to the dictionary, Domnul means "Sir."
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Feb 12, 2008 2:47:23 GMT -6
Not yet, but if the petitioner requests, I'll be happy to. For the sake of time, I'd rather do this for one design, not both.
-- JSH, SKA Like a good investment, this is something that'll stay with me for a long time, I'd love to see Sir Siervicül's idea.[/size][/quote]
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Feb 12, 2008 7:12:39 GMT -6
I like this much better! I think that's it! Thanks to the College for coming up with a beautiful coat of arms!
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Post by Owen Edwards on Feb 12, 2008 7:16:30 GMT -6
Cresti:
That would still suggest that Sir Siervicul is an "abnormal" usage, as it's referring to the English title for your knighthood.
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Feb 12, 2008 8:17:10 GMT -6
That would still suggest that Sir Siervicul is an "abnormal" usage, as it's referring to the English title for your knighthood. I would agree, although I answer to pretty much anything civil.
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King John
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Post by King John on Feb 12, 2008 8:26:39 GMT -6
Cool and beautiful; congratulations to all. I blazon:
Vert, between a fleur-de-lys and two keys crossed in saltire argent a bend sable fimbriated and charged with seven Marian stars argent.
Wow, good heraldry.
— John R
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