Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
Posts: 6,112
Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Feb 22, 2019 6:54:30 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs, your comments is this thread are way out of line, even more so coming from an MC and a member of the government. I shouldn't be the one to say this, because there are many who are thinking the same, but apparently nobody spoke out. It's bad enough that you so desperately want to hurt s:reu Davinescu's feelings, but then again, he's probably used to it by now, so he'll be fine. However, others are reading too. Multiple Talossans whose active presence here would greatly benefit us all are turned off by this kind of behaviour. Possibly potential immigrants too. You are pushing people away with your behaviour. Is that how you intend to get your way? Not by convincing others, but by shouting at people who disagree until they go away? If not, I suggest you take your comments back. There are ways of disagreeing or even criticising others without all this hyperbole and rudeness. (There was no reason to drag our head of state into this either. He's got nothing to do with this vote. People are rightly concerned about his limited presence, but surely constantly attacking him even when completely unprovoked is not gonna convince him to once again become an active member of this community.)
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Post by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h on Feb 22, 2019 7:07:07 GMT -6
There doesn't seem to be any provision for not sending an approved amendment to the people. It will simply be ineffectual, no matter the results. The Covenants pass and the OrgLaw amendment fails - interesting. If John can legally veto the Covenants bill, I hope he does. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 22, 2019 7:32:12 GMT -6
There doesn't seem to be any provision for not sending an approved amendment to the people. It will simply be ineffectual, no matter the results. Can John simply veto the bill? Absolutely. Miestra is right, that works well. |
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Feb 22, 2019 7:43:24 GMT -6
Again, I think that the implementing language clause is unambiguous. Whether the King vetos or not is probably irrelevant, though I understand some need for wanting peace of mind. Regardless, I don’t think this should be an issue that holds anything up. The Chancery should feel free to proceed with the election preparation without this amendment being included.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 22, 2019 7:44:34 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs , your comments is this thread are way out of line, even more so coming from an MC and a member of the government. I shouldn't be the one to say this, because there are many who are thinking the same, but apparently nobody spoke out. It's bad enough that you so desperately want to hurt s:reu Davinescu's feelings, but then again, he's probably used to it by now, so he'll be fine. However, others are reading too. Multiple Talossans whose active presence here would greatly benefit us all are turned off by this kind of behaviour. Possibly potential immigrants too. You are pushing people away with your behaviour. Is that how you intend to get your way? Not by convincing others, but by shouting at people who disagree until they go away? If not, I suggest you take your comments back. There are ways of disagreeing or even criticising others without all this hyperbole and rudeness. (There was no reason to drag our head of state into this either. He's got nothing to do with this vote. People are rightly concerned about his limited presence, but surely constantly attacking him even when completely unprovoked is not gonna convince him to once again become an active member of this community.) Yeah, fuck that. When Alex's and the tyrant's behavior changes, so shall mine. I find Alex's deceit and lies to be way out of line, but you haven't called him out on that. You don't get it-my brash behavior won't offend Alex, that much I know. But I refuse to bow down when he does nothing to better Talossa. The fact that you countenance his behavior is astonishing. Perhaps if Alex actually acknowleged the lies he spread about me, including his intended hit piece on me, I would consider stopping. It does also seem that the RUMP and Alex have voted against every bill I have proposed. But until Alex owns his shit, this continues and Talossa suffers. |
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 22, 2019 8:13:37 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs , your comments is this thread are way out of line, even more so coming from an MC and a member of the government. I shouldn't be the one to say this, because there are many who are thinking the same, but apparently nobody spoke out. It's bad enough that you so desperately want to hurt s:reu Davinescu's feelings, but then again, he's probably used to it by now, so he'll be fine. However, others are reading too. Multiple Talossans whose active presence here would greatly benefit us all are turned off by this kind of behaviour. Possibly potential immigrants too. You are pushing people away with your behaviour. Is that how you intend to get your way? Not by convincing others, but by shouting at people who disagree until they go away? If not, I suggest you take your comments back. There are ways of disagreeing or even criticising others without all this hyperbole and rudeness. (There was no reason to drag our head of state into this either. He's got nothing to do with this vote. People are rightly concerned about his limited presence, but surely constantly attacking him even when completely unprovoked is not gonna convince him to once again become an active member of this community.) Yeah, fuck that. When Alex's and the tyrant's behavior changes, so shall mine. I find Alex's deceit and lies to be way out of line, but you haven't called him out on that. You don't get it-my brash behavior won't offend Alex, that much I know. But I refuse to bow down when he does nothing to better Talossa. The fact that you countenance his behavior is astonishing. Perhaps if Alex actually acknowleged the lies he spread about me, including his intended hit piece on me, I would consider stopping. It does also seem that the RUMP and Alex have voted against every bill I have proposed. But until Alex owns his shit, this continues and Talossa suffers. It is hard for me to overstate how disappointing it is to see the Distain for the country declare that the country will suffer until he gets his way. If you must threaten, don't do it like a dockside bully. Threaten like a minister of state: with justice. I am sorry that you are so angry all the time, V. I know it can be disappointing to see a big bill go down -- after all, my own big amendment lost in the Clark, too -- but this is not an appropriate way to behave -- as a legislator, as a citizen, or even as a human being. It is possible to be opponents without being enemies. Look to examples in Dama Miestra and the former Seneschal: they were passionate in their defense and fierce in their argument, but they didn't descend to this level. Drowning in your own venom isn't going to help anyone or change any minds. |
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 22, 2019 8:47:07 GMT -6
Yeah, fuck that. When Alex's and the tyrant's behavior changes, so shall mine. I find Alex's deceit and lies to be way out of line, but you haven't called him out on that. You don't get it-my brash behavior won't offend Alex, that much I know. But I refuse to bow down when he does nothing to better Talossa. The fact that you countenance his behavior is astonishing. Perhaps if Alex actually acknowleged the lies he spread about me, including his intended hit piece on me, I would consider stopping. It does also seem that the RUMP and Alex have voted against every bill I have proposed. But until Alex owns his shit, this continues and Talossa suffers. It is hard for me to overstate how disappointing it is to see the Distain for the country declare that the country will suffer until he gets his way. If you must threaten, don't do it like a dockside bully. Threaten like a minister of state: with justice. I am sorry that you are so angry all the time, V. I know it can be disappointing to see a big bill go down -- after all, my own big amendment lost in the Clark, too -- but this is not an appropriate way to behave -- as a legislator, as a citizen, or even as a human being. It is possible to be opponents without being enemies. Look to examples in Dama Miestra and the former Seneschal: they were passionate in their defense and fierce in their argument, but they didn't descend to this level. Drowning in your own venom isn't going to help anyone or change any minds. Do you attempt to gaslight your wife this way as well? |
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King John
King of Talossa
Posts: 2,415
Talossan Since: 5-7-2005
Knight Since: 11-30-2005
Motto: COR UNUM
King Since: 3-14-2007
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Post by King John on Feb 22, 2019 11:54:32 GMT -6
I'll plan to veto RZ20, so as not to waste everyone's time and effort on it.
— John R
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 23, 2019 8:11:44 GMT -6
I never doxxed you Sir Alexandreu Davinescu , use of your name, alex, is posted elsewhere on Witt and on Wiki. That's not doxxing. I find it telling that you start heavily using this term in every post about me when you know I can't defend myself. You support the King's action in expulsion in violation in the Organic Law. Expulsion is expulsion, no matter how you cut it. It's fucked up that you're too morally corrupt to see the abuse here, or recognize that your gaslighting has consequences. I truly feel bad for everyone who has to deal with you on a personal level. |
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 23, 2019 8:18:03 GMT -6
In fact, I never even threatened to doxx you, Alex. You, however, did use my full name (so I guess that counts as doxxing?) and threaten to post my place of employment. So again, you can support your tyrant king, but dont claim moral supremacy. You're a cancer to Talossa; I'm just the chemo.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 23, 2019 8:21:20 GMT -6
Of course I don't object to you calling me "Alex." It's a little amusing since it's so petty, but c'est la vie. My objection is to your use of my whole English-language name. You know that. I also object to the frothing fits of vulgarity. Please stop.
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 23, 2019 8:28:37 GMT -6
So Alexander Davis, you support the King circumventing the power of the Org Law and rendering a punishment of expulsion? Yeah, you're a fucking hypocrite.
You know, it's funny. I'm sitting here watching the Orville, and the Keylons (androids) ars casually speaking about complete genocide of all biological creatures. The doctor calls one a son of a bitch, and the Keylons respond that her emotional outburst proves eradication is necessary. But here's the point, like Richard Spencer, the Keylons were nice about their intended genocide. Just as you dress your support for the lying bastard king with flowery language, and when someone is rightfully outraged, you claim morally supremacy and play the victim. So I ask my question again, do you gaslight everyone else in your life?
So here's the thing. I'm not changing; I'm not leaving. Every time you lie, I'll be here to call you a fucking liar. You want civility in Talossa, then apologize and change your behavior. But I'm no longer accepting tyranny that comes with a smile.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Feb 23, 2019 8:45:51 GMT -6
Viteu Marcianüs, your comments is this thread are way out of line, even more so coming from an MC and a member of the government. I shouldn't be the one to say this, because there are many who are thinking the same, but apparently nobody spoke out. It's bad enough that you so desperately want to hurt s:reu Davinescu's feelings, but then again, he's probably used to it by now, so he'll be fine. However, others are reading too. Multiple Talossans whose active presence here would greatly benefit us all are turned off by this kind of behaviour. Possibly potential immigrants too. You are pushing people away with your behaviour. Is that how you intend to get your way? Not by convincing others, but by shouting at people who disagree until they go away? If not, I suggest you take your comments back. There are ways of disagreeing or even criticising others without all this hyperbole and rudeness. (There was no reason to drag our head of state into this either. He's got nothing to do with this vote. People are rightly concerned about his limited presence, but surely constantly attacking him even when completely unprovoked is not gonna convince him to once again become an active member of this community.) Probably this is the best response, here. Says it better than I ever could. |
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Post by Viteu Marcianüs on Feb 23, 2019 9:23:23 GMT -6
So what you're saying is you want me to leave Talossa. Got it. If Talossans want me gone, then I'll leave. It's pretty obvicous that the lying little tyrant waiving his little fist by expelling me wants me to leave. It's obvious that you continue to libel me because you want me gone. It's obvious that our so-called European-Talossans want me gone. So if you all just say that, and quit this chirade, I'll leave. But again, this is rich coming from you Alex, when you defended Ben-Ard's homophobic comments.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
Posts: 4,125 
Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Feb 23, 2019 10:54:04 GMT -6
So what you're saying is you want me to leave Talossa. Got it. If Talossans want me gone, then I'll leave. It's pretty obvicous that the lying little tyrant waiving his little fist by expelling me wants me to leave. It's obvious that you continue to libel me because you want me gone. It's obvious that our so-called European-Talossans want me gone. So if you all just say that, and quit this chirade, I'll leave. But again, this is rich coming from you Alex, when you defended Ben-Ard's homophobic comments. We (as in innocent bystanders or whatever) only want you and AD & co. to take notice of the fact that you're both literally tearing down Talossa with your selfish behaviour.
This has been a multiple-year-long game of the pot calling the kettle black. People are tired, some are leaving Talossa altogether, some have left active life on Witt, because both of you don't even begin to realise what a toxic environment this has become.
Yet apparently both of you only care about out-bullying each other. Either of you would be content to reign (figuratively) over the ashes (literally) if it meant you had the ultimate upper hand over the other.
I'd tell both of you to quit your bullshit, but AD takes orgasmic pleasure at being insulted, and V has yet to read the Cabinet's Code of Conduct so I have no illusion he'd take notice of this in a timely manner.
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