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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 26, 2014 1:55:02 GMT -6
I'm sure it's a problem that could be solved by better use of delegation on the Secretary's part, rather than miring the Chancery in party political debates. After all, if we're going to start making party political points on the state of the Chancery, the impartiality we have presently is almost certainly going to fade. 'Vote for us, we'll appoint a better SoS!' isn't the sort of slogan that endears me to think that what we have here is an apolitical role.
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 26, 2014 2:22:53 GMT -6
I assume you know that the Chancery is not part of the Government, right? Even if the Government was so unhappy with MPF'S actions to be wanting to remove him, the Prime Minister wouldn't be able to dismiss him at his own will, simply because the Secretary of State is an officer of the Royal Household, not a government employee. Why, no! I didn't realize that! Gosh, is that new??? No sarcasm, and read my answer in full. The Government is not responsible for the Secretary of State's behaviour, and this particular Secretary of State was chosen to serve by a RUMPer in the first place.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 26, 2014 6:09:38 GMT -6
Why, no! I didn't realize that! Gosh, is that new??? No sarcasm, and read my answer in full. The Government is not responsible for the Secretary of State's behaviour, and this particular Secretary of State was chosen to serve by a RUMPer in the first place. All this wrangling over this issue is utterly ridiculous. The guy made a mistake, his deputy (me) pointed it out to him and it got fixed. The duties are now more delegated so this shouldn't happen again. Move on people.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on Jun 26, 2014 8:05:51 GMT -6
I knew that my votes would be put in eventually, and figured that MPF just perhaps made an oversight. I completely understand, everyone gets busy, and at the end of the day (or, at the end of a few days), my votes were put in and the whole thing was fixed.
Thank you, Dr. Nordselva, for pointing it out and reminding him.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 26, 2014 17:58:40 GMT -6
And the other thing, I make a thread for receiving votes on the Clark. I explain, as SoS, that this is where I expect the votes.
I understand that the Senate has been doing thing differently these last few years, but as SoS, aren't I empowered to decide where votes should be cast?
All of the votes I have ever missed were posted ELSEWHERE than in the Clark voting thread.
Whenever I missed one, I fixed it pronto.
So, if you don't want me to miss any, why not post in the official voting thread? It's all I am asking...
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Lüc da Schir
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 27, 2014 3:39:55 GMT -6
No sarcasm, and read my answer in full. The Government is not responsible for the Secretary of State's behaviour, and this particular Secretary of State was chosen to serve by a RUMPer in the first place. All this wrangling over this issue is utterly ridiculous. The guy made a mistake, his deputy (me) pointed it out to him and it got fixed. The duties are now more delegated so this shouldn't happen again. Move on people. It's nice to see that Sir Mick likes your post, Txec, because what I'm doing is just defending the Government's behaviour from his allegations. I hope you aren't referring to me when you speak about "wrangling" - if I didn't reply to him, the Government didn't care about the Secretary of State and Mick's umpteenth tirade went unopposed, but if I replied to his post, that's "wrangling". Huzzah for the RUMP!
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 27, 2014 6:18:51 GMT -6
All this wrangling over this issue is utterly ridiculous. The guy made a mistake, his deputy (me) pointed it out to him and it got fixed. The duties are now more delegated so this shouldn't happen again. Move on people. It's nice to see that Sir Mick likes your post, Txec, because what I'm doing is just defending the Government's behaviour from his allegations. I hope you aren't referring to me when you speak about "wrangling" - if I didn't reply to him, the Government didn't care about the Secretary of State and Mick's umpteenth tirade went unopposed, but if I replied to his post, that's "wrangling". Huzzah for the RUMP! In all seriousness, I am referring to everyone who has been arguing in this thread. Mick, you, everyone.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 27, 2014 22:32:26 GMT -6
And the other thing, I make a thread for receiving votes on the Clark. I explain, as SoS, that this is where I expect the votes. I understand that the Senate has been doing thing differently these last few years, but as SoS, aren't I empowered to decide where votes should be cast? All of the votes I have ever missed were posted ELSEWHERE than in the Clark voting thread. Whenever I missed one, I fixed it pronto. So, if you don't want me to miss any, why not post in the official voting thread? It's all I am asking... Yes, by all means- if YOU want to change a tradition that started in 2005, by all means you have that ability. While I might question what you mean by "these past few years"? Once again, I might suggest that the Kingdom of Talossa did not go into stasis in 2004. Things changed. Procedures changed. Traditions changed. I am seeing that the traditions and past protocols are not convenient to what you want. I'm sure that everyone knows why *I* have problems with that. I won't go into that. But I will promise, as long as I am a Senator for M-M, I will continue with the tradition of what Count Hooligan, and (now King) John (when he was a Senator) began.
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Trotxâ
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Post by Trotxâ on Jun 28, 2014 1:27:42 GMT -6
And the other thing, I make a thread for receiving votes on the Clark. I explain, as SoS, that this is where I expect the votes. I understand that the Senate has been doing thing differently these last few years, but as SoS, aren't I empowered to decide where votes should be cast? All of the votes I have ever missed were posted ELSEWHERE than in the Clark voting thread. Whenever I missed one, I fixed it pronto. So, if you don't want me to miss any, why not post in the official voting thread? It's all I am asking... The e-mail I received from the Talossan Chancery specifically said, "If you are unable to use it, you can reply to this e-mail with your vote Thank you, The office of the Secretary of State ( sos@talossa.ca )." Assuming that IT is the Talossan Database (which I am unable to use), I sent my vote in directly by e-mail PER THE INSTRUCTIONS. However, even though I followed the instructions, my vote was initially posted incorrectly. Even more concerning is the fact that I have twice asked the Chancery and the SoS for specific help in getting logged-in to the Database. Those requests have been ignored. T
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 28, 2014 3:36:07 GMT -6
And the other thing, I make a thread for receiving votes on the Clark. I explain, as SoS, that this is where I expect the votes. I understand that the Senate has been doing thing differently these last few years, but as SoS, aren't I empowered to decide where votes should be cast? All of the votes I have ever missed were posted ELSEWHERE than in the Clark voting thread. Whenever I missed one, I fixed it pronto. So, if you don't want me to miss any, why not post in the official voting thread? It's all I am asking... The e-mail I received from the Talossan Chancery specifically said, "If you are unable to use it, you can reply to this e-mail with your vote Thank you, The office of the Secretary of State ( sos@talossa.ca )." Assuming that IT is the Talossan Database (which I am unable to use), I sent my vote in directly by e-mail PER THE INSTRUCTIONS. However, even though I followed the instructions, my vote was initially posted incorrectly. Even more concerning is the fact that I have twice asked the Chancery and the SoS for specific help in getting logged-in to the Database. Those requests have been ignored. T Hum, I missed that... I will check, perhaps there was a problem, as in the past, other Cosa Members and Senators have voted with Sos@talossa.ca...
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King John
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Post by King John on Jun 30, 2014 16:28:09 GMT -6
For what it's worth, I think it's up to the Prime Minister or the Ziu to get rid of an unsatisfactory Secretary of State. The OrgLaw says that the Seneschal appoints the SoS, and that he can be removed and replaced "by law" (of course including Prime Dictates). I could presumably then VETO the removal, but I can't do it myself.
— John R
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Post by King John on Jun 30, 2014 16:31:52 GMT -6
And while I'm here, let me formally "sign" all the legislation that passed (RZ17, RZ18, RZ19, RZ20, RZ22, RZ23, RZ24, and RZ25).
El Regeu en volt.
— John R
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Post by King John on Jun 30, 2014 16:33:24 GMT -6
And, in accordance with RZ21, I hereby very happily appoint Dr. Txec Nordselva to the vacant Magistrate Court.
— John R
May I point out to the Secretary of State that the appointment of a Justice or Judge requires a 2/3 majority in the Cosa and a majority of the Senate? The database seems not to reflect this little wrinkle.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 30, 2014 16:36:24 GMT -6
And, in accordance with RZ21, I hereby very happily appoint Dr. Txec Nordselva to the vacant Magistrate Court. — John R May I point out to the Secretary of State that the appointment of a Justice or Judge requires a 2/3 majority in the Cosa and a majority of the Senate? The database seems not to reflect this little wrinkle. Indeed... it does not! Thanks, I will update it as soon as I get the chance.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 30, 2014 16:41:44 GMT -6
"I, Txec dal Nordselva, do solemnly, sincerely and truly affirm and declare that I will duly, faithfully and to the best of my knowledge and ability execute the office of Magistrate of the Magistrates Courts without fear or favour, affection or ill will towards any man, woman or child and that I will uphold the Organic Law and the laws of the Kingdom of Talossa. This I do solemnly affirm."
-Signed
Dr. Txec dal Nordselva
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