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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 25, 2014 10:37:37 GMT -6
We all have busy periods from time to time; it's nothing to be concerned about so long as it's going to get done, and I trust in MPF to get it done.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 10:47:11 GMT -6
We all have busy periods from time to time; it's nothing to be concerned about so long as it's going to get done, and I trust in MPF to get it done. But - yesterday was a holiday in Canada, and he was too busy to get it done then? I never made excuses for not correcting the results of a Clark when I held the Office. And I had "busy" periods too. I am still at a loss why the SoS has been too busy to spend 5 mins making a fix, and presenting the passed Bills to the King for the King's signature. I guess the current Government is ok with this.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Jun 25, 2014 10:58:49 GMT -6
He's saying that he has been too busy, I think. Which can happen, I guess :-) Exactly
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jun 25, 2014 12:04:57 GMT -6
I guess the current Government is ok with this. I assume you know that the Chancery is not part of the Government, right? Even if the Government was so unhappy with MPF'S actions to be wanting to remove him, the Prime Minister wouldn't be able to dismiss him at his own will, simply because the Secretary of State is an officer of the Royal Household, not a government employee. I'm not saying we are happy with the level of involvement in Talossa of the Secretary of State. I, for all, would like him to pay a bit more attention to what's going on. I personally think, however, that you're blaming the Government for the actions of a nonpartisan officer. True, it's the Prime Minister the person who appointed him, but that was a logical choice since he was already serving as the acting SoS - appointed by the previous SoS, who in turn was appointed by the RUMP and is/has been a member of the RUMP. So no. I don't see how the Government's opinion of the Secretary of State's actions fits into this. This is merely a matter between the SoS and the MPs whose vote was incorrectly registered.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 25, 2014 16:34:03 GMT -6
... hold on, I thought under the OrgLaw the King appointed the SoS? In which case, it should be the Head of State giving MPF the hurry-up... that is, if the monarchy functions the way the monarchists want us to believe it does.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 17:00:48 GMT -6
I guess the current Government is ok with this. I assume you know that the Chancery is not part of the Government, right? Even if the Government was so unhappy with MPF'S actions to be wanting to remove him, the Prime Minister wouldn't be able to dismiss him at his own will, simply because the Secretary of State is an officer of the Royal Household, not a government employee. Why, no! I didn't realize that! Gosh, is that new???
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 17:05:17 GMT -6
... hold on, I thought under the OrgLaw the King appointed the SoS? In which case, it should be the Head of State giving MPF the hurry-up... that is, if the monarchy functions the way the monarchists want us to believe it does. No, the King can fire the SoS, but he doesn't appoint the SoS. It's the Seneschal that appoints the SoS. Apparently, the current Majority is just fine with the lackadaisical, sloppy, error prone SoS. I can only assume that is why they don't care about timeliness or accuracy coming from the Chancery. I hope our Citizens are aware of this when the next General Election arrives, and take this into account when they are voting for which Party they want to represent them in the next Cosa.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Jun 25, 2014 17:25:34 GMT -6
Can the government fire the Secretary of State? If not, then this doesn't reflect on the government at all given that their hands would be tied. Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H., are you taking precautions with regards to training a member of the Chancery to deal with your database in case you're too busy? That might be a way to remove some stress in the future?
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 17:53:19 GMT -6
Can the government fire the Secretary of State? If not, then this doesn't reflect on the government at all given that their hands would be tied. Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H., are you taking precautions with regards to training a member of the Chancery to deal with your database in case you're too busy? That might be a way to remove some stress in the future? Oh, I see! Because the current Government doesn't think they can do anything about the SoS, they don't care how the Chancery operates. Article IX: The Secretary of State, the Hopper, and the Clark Section 1. The Seneschál shall appoint a Secretary of State to an indefinite term. He may be removed and replaced by law.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 25, 2014 18:03:31 GMT -6
Can the government fire the Secretary of State? If not, then this doesn't reflect on the government at all given that their hands would be tied. Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H., are you taking precautions with regards to training a member of the Chancery to deal with your database in case you're too busy? That might be a way to remove some stress in the future? The only other member of the Chancery is, I think, Txec. And no, I don't think he can do anything with the database. If MPF were to become very ill or resign, we'd have to abandon it again.
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jun 25, 2014 18:29:52 GMT -6
Can the government fire the Secretary of State? If not, then this doesn't reflect on the government at all given that their hands would be tied. Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H., are you taking precautions with regards to training a member of the Chancery to deal with your database in case you're too busy? That might be a way to remove some stress in the future? The only other member of the Chancery is, I think, Txec. And no, I don't think he can do anything with the database. If MPF were to become very ill or resign, we'd have to abandon it again. I actually just today was given the appropriate rights in the database to update votes and export Clark results.
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 25, 2014 19:00:15 GMT -6
In that case, the system is all screwed up. The Seneschál appoints the SoS and is supposed to be responsible for him, but the Chancery is under the Monarchy rather than the OrgLaw? And how can an elective Seneschál be trusted to appoint an impartial Sos?
This is a big bug in the OrgLaw, and I crave to hear how the defenders of the present monarchist constitution explain it.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 19:25:31 GMT -6
In that case, the system is all screwed up. The Seneschál appoints the SoS and is supposed to be responsible for him, but the Chancery is under the Monarchy rather than the OrgLaw? And how can an elective Seneschál be trusted to appoint an impartial Sos? This is a big bug in the OrgLaw, and I crave to hear how the defenders of the present monarchist constitution explain it. I suppose you should ask that question to those that wrote and approved the OrgLaw. But, to be fair - the Check and Balance is that if the Seneschál appoints an incompetent SoS, that SoS can be removed by the Monarch. If the Monarch feels that the SoS is acting outside the boundaries of the Chancery, then the Monarch can remove that SoS. If, on the other hand, the SoS is doing a decent job, and is impartial in all areas, then there is no problem. If the Seneschál continues to appoint incompetent or partial SoS's, and the Monarch continues to reject them ... then the Citizens should vote the Party that appointed that Seneschál out of office. Because obviously, the Seneschál has his own agenda. I hope that helps.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 25, 2014 19:37:32 GMT -6
In that case, the system is all screwed up. The Seneschál appoints the SoS and is supposed to be responsible for him, but the Chancery is under the Monarchy rather than the OrgLaw? And how can an elective Seneschál be trusted to appoint an impartial Sos? This is a big bug in the OrgLaw, and I crave to hear how the defenders of the present monarchist constitution explain it. It's a feature! Like Mick says, it allows the monarchy and government to balance each other when it comes to elections. It's the only reason the country has been able to have legal elections in at least one instance, when there was no government and no SoS.
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 25, 2014 19:49:29 GMT -6
And with that said -
If that same Seneschál feels that the current SoS is not competent, not doing an impartial job, or is not doing an acceptable job as the SoS - that Seneschál MUST petition the King to remove the SoS, so that the current Seneschál can appoint someone who can fulfill the requirements of the Chancery.
If they don't, then they approve of the current state of affairs. And the Citizens need to know that.
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