Questions from a "tourist": El Glhetg edition

[Hooligan]

Jun 10, 2014 18:26:59 GMT -6 Sir C. M. Siervicül said:

Jun 10, 2014 18:16:24 GMT -6 Hooligan said:

So this means Sir Cresti is finally writing up the 2012 Arestada‽ :-)

If I did, what excuse would you have left for not finishing the next edition of GC?

The race is on!

[Lupulüc "Lupüc" da Fhöglha]

Quick question:

If one says: "sà viva el regeu!" (Long live the king)
Would one say "sà viva els regeux" or "sà vivent els regeux" (long live the kings)?

[Hooligan]

It would definitely be sa vivent, but that assumes that the idiomatic conversion of the subjunctive to the indicative mood would also be applied to the plural, when it perhaps should be only applied in the single well-known phrase. So it should properly (I should think) be sa vivadrent els regeux, or — even more properly — qe vivadrent els regeux.

I welcome comments of others on this interesting subject.

Hool

[Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun]

I love subjunctives; they are one of the more interesting aspects of Romance languages. I wish we had more than a mere "qe VERB-adr-SUFFIX" formation in el Glheþ. Well, maybe it will form in time - if the speakers start speaking and won't become lazy!

[Hooligan]

Jul 8, 2014 6:45:55 GMT -6 Magniloqueu Épiqeu da Lhiun said:

I love subjunctives; they are one of the more interesting aspects of Romance languages. I wish we had more than a mere "qe VERB-adr-SUFFIX" formation in el Glheþ. Well, maybe it will form in time - if the speakers start speaking and won't become lazy!

Use of the subjunctive in other constructions is definitely not only countenanced but encouraged. For instance (examples from GC):

• HYPOTHETICAL: a me fodrieva sa schi a m’aucidadra (= ‘she glared at me as if she would kill me’)
• MANDATIVE (DESIDERATIVE): cheréu qe menxhadrás (= ‘I wish that you would eat’)
• MANDATIVE (INSTRUCTIVE): a recomendeva qe noi scrivadrent noschtri nums (= ‘she recommended that we should write our names’)
• MANDATIVE (JUSSIVE): qe las montagnhas cantadrent (= ‘let the mountains sing’)
• CONDITIONAL: schi acertas estadrás clav, tu matra en säpadra (= ‘if you were truly sick, your mother would know it’)
• CONTERFACTUAL PAST: povadrás tirh façat ben (= ‘you could have done well’)

The issue for many years was that our Founder had labeled the subjunctive mood as a "conditional tense", and its use thus was often restricted to use in conditional expressions, and other moods were forced awkwardly onto properly subjunctive expressions.

Hool