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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on May 14, 2014 19:46:35 GMT -6
I have been talking to a twelve-year-old would-be immigrant who, as far as I can tell, could be an asset to the Kingdom. (If you read this, hi Max! *waves*.) I could imagine a standard procedure where 13-year-olds who are not yet eligible for citizenship as per this bill are granted Visitors' passports until the day comes when they can apply for citizenship. That gives me a weird idea that I might as well throw out for comment: what if we just made 13 the minimum age to become a prospective but 14 the minimum age to be granted citizenship (while tolling the expiration of "prospective" status until the applicant turns 14)? This would recognise that 14 is basically our age of majority for civic responsibility purposes, and while participation in the community would be open to 13-year-olds we wouldn't ask anyone to take an oath of citizenship until they reach the age of majority and are legally competent to do so. I don't think other countries generally allow minors to take legally binding citizenship oaths. I kind of think pushing the age just back to 13 in your idea is almost discriminatory to like, 12 year olds for example. If we were to push back the minimum prospective age to 13, but keep the minimum citizenship age at 14 (or even 14 by the next Balloting Day), why stop there? I mean, overlooking COPPA (the US law mandating one being 13 to have an account w/o parental permission), we could simply say that its possible to become a prospective at any age, but you don't become a citizen until you hit 14 or 14 by Balloting Day. I'm not against the idea, and I do like aspects of it, but if we discuss it, I'd like to entertain the idea that we don't set the minimum prospective age at just 13. Overall, I too would like to hear more thoughts on the idea you propose. To give a bit of comparison between your idea and my Bird Act, my Act wouldn't prohibit the MinImm from, at his/her discretion, processing the application of someone who is younger than the 14 by Balloting Day age. It only mandates that the MinImm process all the applications that do meet the minimum age, without discrimination. (This is opposed to the current system, where all applications must be processed, regardless of age, without discrimination.)
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on May 14, 2014 20:17:28 GMT -6
I mean, overlooking COPPA But we can't overlook COPPA. That's the key reason, IMO, to stop at 13. I wouldn't necessarily mind allowing younger prospectives with parental consent, or even requiring parental consent for all minor (under 14) prospectives. That would comply with COPPA, and also make sense under the traditions of Talossan law.
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Post by Munditenens Tresplet on May 14, 2014 20:48:16 GMT -6
I mean, overlooking COPPA But we can't overlook COPPA. That's the key reason, IMO, to stop at 13. I wouldn't necessarily mind allowing younger prospectives with parental consent, or even requiring parental consent for all minor (under 14) prospectives. That would comply with COPPA, and also make sense under the traditions of Talossan law. That's what I meant. (Sort of like, in an ideal world--overlooking COPPA--...) Allowing younger prospectives in with parental consent would comply with the law, and its a possibility to look into, which is what I meant.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on May 15, 2014 1:15:00 GMT -6
I wouldn't necessarily mind allowing younger prospectives with parental consent, or even requiring parental consent for all minor (under 14) prospectives. That would comply with COPPA, and also make sense under the traditions of Talossan law. Alas, Proboards (like most online companies) deal with COPPA by simply requiring everyone to be 13. They don't want the administrative hassle with acquiring and tracking parental consent. From the terms of service:
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Sir C. M. Siervicül
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on May 15, 2014 3:07:48 GMT -6
Alas, Proboards (like most online companies) deal with COPPA by simply requiring everyone to be 13. True. For anything under 13 to be meaningful, we'd either have to move Witt (probably to something self-operated, like when M-P was Wittmeister) or develop a process for handling prospectives that can't have Witt access (like in the first year or so of the Cybercit era, when there was no message board).
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