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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Mar 18, 2014 18:31:07 GMT -6
Initially I was going to wait a couple of days before making this doubtlessly anticipated announcement, but then I thought to myself 'why wait?'; after all, I'm feeling rather bored right now, and what better way to remove such boredom than by making an announcement which everyone's kind of expecting anyway? Ladies and gentlemen, those of you who have been paying attention to Talossan politics in recent weeks will know that I stepped down as leader of the ZRT (or whatever they're going to call themselves now that The One is running the show) and handed in my membership card. I wish the party well in the future - we parted on good terms and I consider many of the party members to be my closest friends in Talossa, and this isn't something likely to change. However, I feel as though now (after I've lead my colleagues into government) to hand the reins on to someone else. I still am a firm believer that a republic would be on a principled level better for Talossa, but my first and foremost concern in Talossa is to protect the civil and political rights of Talossa's citizens and its provinces. I am therefore incredibly proud to announce the official launching of Talossa's newest political party... El Parti del Congréßeu Liberál - The Liberal Congress Party. We have a forum, which can be found at liberalcongress.proboards.com and is where we are currently discussing policy and our official mission statement. All members are welcome to contribute and participate in the discussions, just send me a message to let me know if you'd like to join. Non-party members are also allowed to sign up to the forum, but I ask that you show respect if you decide to post there. Thank you! C. Xheraltescu
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Post by Sevastáin Pinátsch on Mar 19, 2014 12:42:53 GMT -6
Should you wish to host your forum on Talossa Citizens Archive instead, let me know. It's not necessary to be constrained by PB's terms of service unless you'd really prefer that.
I can set you up with a MyBB site (or another forum software of your choice). The database would be yours to keep whether we host for 3 months or 300. No ads; no cost.
Same deal for any other political party looking for a home.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 19, 2014 20:34:58 GMT -6
Wow, congratulations! Do I see that you already count the MinFor among your members, too? This must be the first time any new party has held two Cabinet posts within a week - now that's moving fast!
I wish you guys all the best!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Mar 19, 2014 22:12:50 GMT -6
Yeah, you say that until the defections from RUMP start.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Mar 20, 2014 4:55:42 GMT -6
We're attracting liberal lovers of liberties from across the political spectrum; it's an exciting time!
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Post by Txosuè Éiric Rôibeardescù on Mar 20, 2014 23:57:30 GMT -6
El Parti del Congréßeu Liberál FOR THE WIN!! WOO WOOP! (brakes out with a full boogie, disco fever... its a part after all!)
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Mar 21, 2014 7:37:23 GMT -6
Can I say something not as a former RUMP or PC member and not as Secretary of State, but as a former PQ (a Québec political party) member?
This is a terrible idea.
Hear me out...
In Talossa, traditionally, there was almost 2 factions: the natural party (PC, CLP, RUMP) and the opposition (And I do not mean the actual opposition, I mean the parties opposite the natural Party. For example, the GCP was in a way, a natural party coalition (with the PC), but when again, the MN broke the rules and is an exception).
The natural party gets most of the votes, is united over a weakly defined concept (often simply the Monarchy) and usually contains the shakers and movers. I am talking about the SoS, for example.
No, the natural party doesn't get votes because they have the SoS, but they have the SoS because the natural party has the dynamic people.
The opposition on the other hand, is composed of multiple smaller parties which usually have clearly defined concepts, like the ZRT which is pro-republican, or the RPT which is Mximo's party.
The MRPT for example, has probably the clearest platform I have EVER seen in Talossa.
But because all of these parties have clear agendas, they do not rally the non-political voters who have their own agendas which sometimes conflict with one or two points.
Let me give you a CLEAR example. I am a strong supporter of the citizen participation in the Ziu, which means that I feel that a new citizen who is interested to participate in politics can receive a seat from an existing party.
ALL of the opposition parties support candidate lists, but the RUMP doesn't and agrees to give a chance to other citizens. I kept a single RUMP seat without conditions when I left the RUMP, which other party might have done that?
So yeah, I MIGHT one day join the MRPT, but if I do, I have to sacrifice ONE of my values. With the RUMP, I had to sacrifice ZERO of my values.
And you know what? It's the same with voters.
I am middle of the road when it comes to Peculiarism and Derivatism. On some things, I am a strict derivatist, on others, a stauch peculiarist.
Which is the only party I see that supports both Perculirist ventures AND Derivatist ones? The RUMP.
And you know what? It's a good thing, in a way. Because it reassures the voters and they know that with the RUMP (like with the former PC), they won't get any surprises.
So, the opposition complains that the RUMP gets the inactive votes, but have you wondered that perhaps, just perhaps, the RUMP doesn't OFFEND anyone, isn't against ANY principles and simply in favor of keeping the nation alive and vibrant, like the PC was and like I am sure the CLP was (but I can't speak for sure, I didn't know them)?
I think that the opposition doesn't NEED more parties, but rather a more inclusive party.
They need a party like the RUMP, all-inclusive, but NOT the RUMP, that will force the RUMP to distinguish itself from that other party. And the distinction would need to be small... it would need to focus on a single thing that the RUMP might be doing which irritates the inactive citizens. I don't know what it could be. If I did, I might start that party to inspire others.
Then, and only then, will we be able to get 2 major "power" parties with smaller "issue" parties.
When the smaller issue parties have a good idea, one of the 2 power parties makes a coalition, and otherwise, the 2 major parties are a coalition.
But the Issue parties would now have a new role: the counter balance to the 2 behemots: they would push for bills supporting their agenda, and pushing one party against another.
For example, let's say the RUMP decides it's derivatist and the other party is peculiarist. A 3rd party could make a proposal which is clearly derivatist to force the RUMP to support it, but which furthers the 3rd party's agenda.
Or the other way around...
The GCP was on its way to be that, and I was VERY optimistic about it. I fully believed in the GCP (despite being a PC member) and truly hoped they would be the other big one.
update: and yes, I am fully aware that I should have published this as a better researched and written article. I am open to get in talks with someone to do that, but I am still on meds and this is the best my brain can do this morning.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Mar 21, 2014 7:48:22 GMT -6
So, the opposition complains that the RUMP gets the inactive votes, but have you wondered that perhaps, just perhaps, the RUMP doesn't OFFEND anyone, isn't against ANY principles and simply in favor of keeping the nation alive and vibrant, like the PC was I am not a politician and not formally in the Opposition, but you are confirming exactly what I don't like about the RUMP: They try not to offend and they have no principles, they just want to administrate the country. I WANT visions. I WANT principles. I WANT debate and politics. I want choices. You seem to be asking us for dropping politics, and sit down like a circle of friends and forget about ideologies and visions. I'd hate for that to happen.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Mar 21, 2014 8:09:52 GMT -6
So, the opposition complains that the RUMP gets the inactive votes, but have you wondered that perhaps, just perhaps, the RUMP doesn't OFFEND anyone, isn't against ANY principles and simply in favor of keeping the nation alive and vibrant, like the PC was I am not a politician and not formally in the Opposition, but you are confirming exactly what I don't like about the RUMP: They try not to offend and they have no principles, they just want to administrate the country. I WANT visions. I WANT principles. I WANT debate and politics. I want choices. You seem to be asking us for dropping politics, and sit down like a circle of friends and forget about ideologies and visions. I'd hate for that to happen. Wait, wait, wait.... I am not saying that I WANT this. I WANT visions too. I WANT principles too. I am not stating an ideal to attain. I am listing what needs to be done to prevent the tendency to have a natural governing party. And you know what? It's NOT the RUMP's fault nor is it a conspiration. They get almost always close or more than 50% of the vote, same as the former PC. Like all political parties, they want to win (they ALL do). But since they already get either a majority or close to one (while the rest is divided), they cannot afford to upset their base and so, they don't. The opposition parties on the other hand, doesn't have that base so when it's time for them to get votes, they NEED to stand on principles and visions to capture the imagination of the voters. The problem is that the majority of the voters are ALWAYS inactive. In 2014, in 2004, and even, I bet, 1994. So who can your vision grab the attention of those inactive voters who STILL feel Talossan and who STILL are proud to call themselves Talossans even if they don't have time for us right now. And DON'T tell me they don't care. Back in 2003, I used to CALL them and I spoke to a few of them. I even reactivated one or two, if I remember well. But sadly, the realities of politics are in the way of our idealism. I proposed to be allowed to publish Talossa Weekly using the SoS list of citizens. I was shut down. Fine. But until we find a way to reach those citizens and get them to either resign (if they don't feel Talossan anymore) or take a peek every few months before voting, the opposition parties with ZERO name recognition will get ZERO traction. This is why I mentioned that the vision (I called them issue parties, but I prefer your term) parties would then be the coalition makers. They could shake things up because they would get the support of the many of active citizens.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Mar 21, 2014 8:10:28 GMT -6
BTW, my meds might be clouding my judgement, so perhaps I am a complete lunatic these days...
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Mar 21, 2014 8:24:53 GMT -6
Wait, wait, wait.... I am not saying that I WANT this. I WANT visions too. I WANT principles too. I am not stating an ideal to attain. I am listing what needs to be done to prevent the tendency to have a natural governing party. And you know what? It's NOT the RUMP's fault nor is it a conspiration. OK, I'm with you now.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Mar 21, 2014 9:39:07 GMT -6
I think MP is describing the concept of being a "Volkspartei" (people's party is the translation of this, but I doubt it's the term that I'm looking for in English), kind of a perpetual coaliation of people that spans a wide range of ideologies and beliefs, for some shared but somewhat unspecific intentions like for instance keeping things going as they are. Following this, the RUMP would indeed resemble a slightly conservative "Volkspartei" like for instance the CDU in Germany.
To some extent, the MRPT and even the ZRT are or have been following this concept too, in their particular spectrum of the political flavours. For instance, the ZRT used to unite a strict republicanism with less decided stances for "more republican elements in the current picture". In fact the capability of uniting a wide range of particular interests is the secret of political success of parties, especially if a society is growing by numbers. The "one man party", on the other hand, is a genuine micronational concept, with its imaginary collective leadership, pompous titles that are made up within a whim and more of this.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Mar 21, 2014 9:58:26 GMT -6
Yes, the RUMP has a culture that values achievement and reliability, and so people who have that in common do sometimes join with us if they have no values either way. But we have told our MCs in the past, and will always tell them, that we have certain values and our voters demand we uphold them, and so we fight for the monarchy, for a real Talossa, and for fun.
Yes, we have a strong track record of actually getting things done. Yes, we believe in being inclusive and polite. Neither of those things mean that we don't have principles. And everyone knows what those principles are. A bill to depose the monarchy or declare that Talossa was not a real country would fail, and we all know where the RUMP votes would lie.
You don't have to talk or act a particular way to be a RUMPer, that's true. We don't insist on particular codewords or that you have the right culture or anything else. You just have to fight for our values.
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Post by Marti-Pair Furxheir S.H. on Mar 21, 2014 10:24:44 GMT -6
And Alexandreu, this reputation of getting things done is what caused me to join the RUMP (in addition to an alignment on seat distribution, which I do NOT only believe in when it's time for me to get a seat... I used to propose newcomers for PC seats between elections too).
Being pro-monarchy in general helped (I was a Republican because I was against a certain monarch in particular and not against Monarchy in general).
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Mar 29, 2014 15:41:55 GMT -6
We've just democratically approved our name, slogan, and mission statement!
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