Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
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Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 13, 2013 9:19:11 GMT -6
The Office of the Prime Minister of Talossa __________________________
L'Óifisch dal Seneschal del Regipäts Talossa
The Seek and Desire are Not The Same Thing Prime Dictate I, Txec Róibeard dal Nordselva, Seneschál del Regipäts Talossán, with all duly vested authority and stuff, do hereby and forthwith declare the following Prime Dictate, beseeching his Majesty the King to grant his assent with all due celerity that it might become law: WHEREAS, on June 22 the Magistrates Court issued a ruling declaring that the words seek and desire are synonyms and by this nature make enforcement of The What's The Difference Act impossible; and WHEREAS debate has erupted in certain corners of Talossa as to the exact meaning of these two words; and WHEREAS the Kingdom of Talossa itself has been defined by the Magistrates Court as being a micronation despite the fact that the Kingdom of Talossa does not meet all four criteria because The Kingdom of Talossa really should by default recognize itself; and WHEREAS let us resolve this issue; THEREFORE; Section 5 of 37RZ22 The What's the Difference Act is hereby amended to read: A micronation is hereby legally defined to be any society of persons (whether claiming territorial sovereignty or not) that * claims a governmental organization and citizenry and * is not a member of the United Nations and * is not a member of the Unrepresented Nations and Peoples Organization and * is not the Kingdom of Talossa or a subdivision thereof, or officially recognised by the Kingdom of Talossa. and FURTHERMORE; Section 6 of 37RZ2 The What's The DIfference Act is hereby amended, striking the word "seek", to read: It is a criminal act for any Talossan citizen to accept or hold citizenship in a micronation. The penalty for committing such a crime shall be the revocation of Talossan citizenship. The Attorney-General, on being informed of any alleged violation of this act, and upon verifying the same to his personal and legal satisfaction, shall immediately notify the accused that the government has determined that valid cause exists for a criminal case to be brought against the citizen in the Uppermost Cort. After providing this notification, the Attorney-General shall allow ten days for the accused to dissolve any and all allegiance to the micronation, or to organize a defence against the charge. If, after this ten day period, the Attorney-General determines that the criminal act yet continues, he shall immediately file criminal charges against the accused with the Uppermost Cort and there shall seek the prescribed penalty for the violation of this act. If after this ten day period, the Attorney-General determines that the criminal activity has permanently ceased, he shall not file the considered charges, and the accused shall continue as a fully privileged citizen of the Kingdom. Done under my hand and seal, as from Kenwood House, this day the 13th day of July, in the Year of Our Lord 2013, of the independence of Talossa the thirty-fourth, and the seventh in the reign of our gracious Sovereign John. Txec Róibeard dal Nordselva, MC Seneschal
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Lüc da Schir
Senator for Benito
If Italy wins a Six Nations match I will join the Zouaves
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Talossan Since: 3-21-2012
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Post by Lüc da Schir on Jul 13, 2013 10:21:00 GMT -6
Now my bill is unnecessary, I assume?
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King John
King of Talossa
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Post by King John on Jul 13, 2013 10:29:20 GMT -6
I assent. El Regeu en volt.
If I'm sitting at my desk mid-morning feeling hungry, I desire lunch. Then when lunchtime rolls around, and I get up to go across the street to the hot dog stand, I'm seeking lunch. Desire often — not always — leads to seeking, but they aren't at all the same thing.
— John R
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jul 13, 2013 11:54:46 GMT -6
Thank you! Seriously silly that this was necessary, though.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2013 16:46:17 GMT -6
Seriously silly that the ban on dual citizenships, which has cost us a Cabinet Minister and a member of this House, and is dragging another stalwart Talossan before the courts as we speak, is still in place, and is still supported by the RUMP-led government. The next Cosâ should once again discuss repealing this barbaric anachronism.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 16, 2013 17:48:26 GMT -6
Why are you waiting Dame Miestra? Try to repeal it now. You are all talk and absolutely NO action.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2013 17:53:54 GMT -6
We already did try to repeal it. It got voted down. No point trying again until we have a majority. Also - just because I love infuriating Captain Preston - isn't it unconstitutional to try to reintroduce a bill which has already failed in the same Cosâ?
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 16, 2013 17:54:25 GMT -6
That is your answer to everything. Point me to the bill that specifically was to repeal it and I will point out that the bill was to essentially amend it. You'll also find tucked in there that I was a co-sponsor of that bill.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
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Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2013 17:55:21 GMT -6
My answer to everything is that we need a ZRT or at least a pro-reformist majority to actually change anything around here? To use unparliamentary language for a moment, DUH.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 16, 2013 17:59:22 GMT -6
We already did try to repeal it. It got voted down. No point trying again until we have a majority. Also - just because I love infuriating Captain Preston - isn't it unconstitutional to try to reintroduce a bill which has already failed in the same Cosâ? Oh, please - you have to try much harder to irk me, much less infuriate me! Btw, If you were to ever read the OrgLaw, you would know the answer to your question. Such a novel idea, I know. But you might want to try it one day!
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
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Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 16, 2013 18:01:10 GMT -6
I'm confused. According to my reading of Statutory law, the attempt to repeal/amend/whatever What's the Difference took place in the 44th Cosa. Last time I checked, we are currently on the 45th Cosa. What bill are you referring to?
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jul 16, 2013 20:08:16 GMT -6
Look, esteemed Seneschál, whenever the RUMP signals that they're happy to repeal What's The Difference, I'll introduce a bill. I'm not introducing one just so you guys can vote it down (so you can have the pleasure of prosecuting Admiral Tim and losing your own Home Minister...)
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 16, 2013 20:34:59 GMT -6
Look, esteemed Seneschál, whenever the RUMP signals that they're happy to repeal What's The Difference, I'll introduce a bill. I'm not introducing one just so you guys can vote it down (so you can have the pleasure of prosecuting Admiral Tim and losing your own Home Minister...) The Snark is strong with this one. - Darth Mick.
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Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă
Puisne (Associate) Justice of the Uppermost Court
Fraichetz dels punts, es non dels mürs
Posts: 4,063
Talossan Since: 9-23-2012
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Post by Dr. Txec dal Nordselvă on Jul 16, 2013 22:00:04 GMT -6
Look, esteemed Seneschál, whenever the RUMP signals that they're happy to repeal What's The Difference, I'll introduce a bill. I'm not introducing one just so you guys can vote it down (so you can have the pleasure of prosecuting Admiral Tim and losing your own Home Minister...) My government takes no pleasure in prosecuting the Admiral or anyone else. I'm sorry you think it is a pleasure to see this happen.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jul 16, 2013 22:45:33 GMT -6
Silly me! Dame Miestra - perhaps I assume too much? Do you know where the OrgLaw is posted? Here, since the ZRT seems to be ignorant where the Laws are posted, let me help. OrgLaw can be found here: www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=OrgLawIndex There is this other body of works, called "Statutory Law". That can be found here: www.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=StatutesGosh golly ! If you didn't know where the laws of the Kingdom were found, I can understand now why you are always confused! I am so glad to help now. If you have any questions about what these laws mean, please ask! I'll be glad to help. I know it might be a bit confusing to new members of the Kingdom, Dame Meistra. I understand you have been a member of the Kingdom for only a year now, so you might still be a bit confused. I see that you (or your cohorts) might have been members of the Kingdom about a decade ago. I can see why you don't know what the laws are! Gosh, I hope the ZRT grasps the concept of the current state of the Kingdom of Talossa before the next election. I mean, really - who would vote for a party that doesn't even understand OrgLaw, much less Statutory law? Goodness gracious, how can we expect a party to guide the government, if they don't even know the laws of the land, much less if they don't understand how the Ziu operates? I can understand your concerns - You seem to be a bit vague on how the Kingdom operates since 2005. I guess to some, that is acceptable. Personally, I don't think your ignorance of the Laws should qualify you for Leadership, but then again, that's just me. Please let me help you understand the current Laws of the Kingdom? Maybe I should start a class in the University for you and your cohorts in the ZPT, so everyone can understand the laws the the Kingdom?
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