ián txáglh
člověk/doutetoca/crastiun
Posts: 500
Talossan Since: 6-27-2012 (or earlier)
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Post by ián txáglh on Apr 22, 2013 0:13:01 GMT -6
It's a peculiar party, yes. Perhaps even Peculiar. gee on a pony, who the hell brought the peculiar viral epidemic into the talossan politics? they were none and now they are plenty...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 9:13:10 GMT -6
Can someone correct my understanding of Percularism? I was under the impression that it was the belief that because Talossa is not a traditional country in the more "physical" sense, it is under no obligation to act like other countries, as opposed to the notion of us being our own country and we can act any way we think is best without regards t how other countries do their thing. Am I missing something?
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Apr 22, 2013 14:41:02 GMT -6
Can someone correct my understanding of Percularism? I was under the impression that it was the belief that because Talossa is not a traditional country in the more "physical" sense, it is under no obligation to act like other countries, as opposed to the notion of us being our own country and we can act any way we think is best without regards t how other countries do their thing. Am I missing something? Both, as the main thing is that we, as an independent nationette, don't *have* to ape so-called real countries (for which reason ever). While, on the other hand, we don't have to be different by all means. On the other side, as far a I understand derivatism, aping the so-called real countries would make us more "real" as well. Which truly is a peculiar assumption. ;D
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 14:51:44 GMT -6
I always saw derivatism as being the idea that some things work well in larger nations and those things can be considered a standard of best practice. That doesn't mean derivatists are wedded to the idea of copying one nation in particular or anything.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Apr 22, 2013 15:04:07 GMT -6
As Ián Tx., hinted, suddenly it seems like we're all peculiarists, at least to some extent.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 15:06:31 GMT -6
Or are we all derivatists, to an extent? Is this what may be called neo-derivatism/neo-peculiarism?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 15:23:45 GMT -6
Or is it that we're all a bit of both and, like most things in life, it is not so black and white?
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 15:30:32 GMT -6
This is my point really, that the newer form or derivatism and the newer form of peculiarism have more or less converged. Does neo-peculiarism equal neo-derivatism?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 15:38:23 GMT -6
The birth of Decularism.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 15:40:13 GMT -6
Classical Decularism, Decularism, Neo-Decularism, Neo-Classical Decularism... There's potential here!
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Apr 22, 2013 15:40:27 GMT -6
I dunno. I got into Talossa in 1997 for two reasons: (a) ár ghleþ naziunál; (b) a "scale-model" of parliamentary politics. What upset me about the KR1 era was the delegitimization of traditional opposition politics of the kind I was used to. I see something similar happening now, in of course a much less vicious way. I just want politics of the type I understand and feel comfortable participating in. I like to think that makes me Derivatist.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 15:49:43 GMT -6
I want that too, but the reality of it is that there are so very many people who feel the same way that we're never going to find a type of politics that we're all comfortable with participating in unless we do things a wee bit differently.
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Post by C. Carlüs Xheraltescù on Apr 22, 2013 15:52:03 GMT -6
(of course I wouldn't identify as a peculiarist, because I like to think that the solution lies in a combination of many systems used by a variety of larger nations. Or is that a peculiar notion? Decularism FTW!)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2013 15:53:47 GMT -6
Look, if you guys want to be an Opposition party, fine. Be one! We would like the best person to do the job but hey, we're not going to force you. We just get annoyed (okay, I become an outright prick), when we're portrayed as tyrants, old-cronies, anti-democracy, and stifling opposing view points.
That having been said, take into consideration, many of us DO live in the US. And in case you haven't noticed, partisanship in the US has been increasing a lot since good ol' Bush. We're a hop skip and jump away from the party-based paramilitary gangs of the weimar republic... okay maybe not as bad but you get the idea. The notion that we then volunteer for something similar to the partisanship in our spare time has many of us cringing.
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
Posts: 1,400
Talossan Since: 12-8-2007
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Post by Owen Edwards on Apr 22, 2013 16:43:38 GMT -6
But presumably you see the opposite problem? That it's bizarre to hold elections and have the kind of governments we do (i.e. singular mandate-based, either one party or a coalition), but then not want the very basis of our existing democratic system to be what matters during the Cosa term? I think that's what has puzzled some of us - I sympathise with the "best man for the job" attitude (hey, we're all for being a post-partisan City On A Hill, remember ), but in that case, we have to abandon other trappings of partisanship, too - like parties.
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