Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Oct 22, 2012 11:47:03 GMT -6
Per pale per fess or and azure and sable, 4 barrulet argent ...
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Post by King John on Nov 7, 2012 9:31:59 GMT -6
Per pale, per fess or an alpha gules and azure an omega argent, and sable four barrulets argent.
Complexity ten, and also illegal by the Marshalling Rule (I.3).
— Blanc Wolf
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 7, 2012 10:09:34 GMT -6
Per pale, per fess or an alpha gules and azure an omega argent, and sable four barrulets argent. Complexity ten, and also illegal by the Marshalling Rule (I.3). — Blanc Wolf So, with that said - I think we need to walk this back to the proverbial "drawing board".
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Post by Iustì Carlüs Canun on Nov 8, 2012 0:51:15 GMT -6
Perhaps a circle or an infinity symbol to indicate one's continued presence?
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Post by Veirnarac'h D. Lorentzescu on Nov 16, 2012 7:28:56 GMT -6
But I was under the impression that complexity rules could be set aside if it looks cool. Is applying the rules arbitrarily done around here?
Look, if this jerking me around is a side effect of my vote in the last election, will an apology now and promise to vote the right way in the future stand me in good stead?
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 16, 2012 8:51:05 GMT -6
The College does NOT involve itself in ANY political matter. It is independent of anything concerning the legislative branches of the Government.
It answers to the King, and only the King.
The College is not "jerking" you around. Your request was forwarded to the Blanc Wolf ( who is also the King), and he replied.
Not only was the complexity level in question, but there is concern with it being illegal by the Marshalling Rule (I.3).
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Post by King John on Nov 16, 2012 11:35:03 GMT -6
In a sense, much of the point of our "Rules of Heraldry" is to codify our (trained) aesthetic sense of what makes good heraldic design, and to avoid having to tell people (in a way that might seem arbitrary) that the coats of arms they've designed for themselves "just look wrong". We tried to figure out the main ways that proposed designs can violate heraldic good taste, and write rules to help people avoid those violations.
One of the main ways in which untrained people tend to violate heraldic good taste is in the area of complexity. There's a tendency to try to fit everything in; whereas good heraldry is simple, with clean bold designs that are easy to recognize and reproduce. So we (arbitarily) define a "complexity metric", and set a complexity limit of 8 — realizing all the time that some good designs might (by our metric) come in at 9 or even 10, and some really horribly cluttered designs might measure only 7 or 8. That is, we knew going in that the metric was only a rule of thumb, not an absolute.
Instead of simply allowing an exception to the Complexity Rule "if it looks cool", the exact wording of the rule is "But exceptions to this rule may be allowed, if the overall visual effect is one of artistic unity rather than of over-complexity."
Artistic unity, granted, may be in the eye of the beholder; but a beholder well versed in the heraldic arts is more realiable in this than one who isn't.
I heartily endorse Sir Mick's declaration, as well. The College of Arms does not get involved in, or allow itself to be influenced by, politics.
— Blanc Wolf
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Post by Veirnarac'h D. Lorentzescu on Nov 17, 2012 18:49:37 GMT -6
How about this then? Attachments:
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 17, 2012 19:46:43 GMT -6
Per pale, per fess or a half annulet gules, and sable four barrulets argent.
"a half annulet"
I'm not finding a reference to this in the Heraldic charges.
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Post by Veirnarac'h D. Lorentzescu on Nov 17, 2012 20:07:53 GMT -6
As in, it doesn't exist? Or is an impossibility?
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Post by Sir C. M. Siervicül on Nov 17, 2012 22:46:35 GMT -6
Those arms could be blazoned as "dimidiated," but that might still be taken to suggest marshaling.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 17, 2012 23:25:54 GMT -6
As in, it doesn't exist? Or is an impossibility? Yes in previous CoA's , and probably. Those arms could be blazoned as "dimidiated," but that might still be taken to suggest marshaling. By definition: "In heraldry, dimidiation is a method of marshalling (heraldically combining) two coats of arms." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DimidiationSo yeah, this would be in conflict with the rule.
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Post by Veirnarac'h D. Lorentzescu on Nov 18, 2012 13:56:20 GMT -6
So there are no references to a half ring, and thereby they cannot be used at all?
Then what could substitute the ring? Something to help represent my Sami heritage.
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
Capitán of the Zouaves
Posts: 6,511
Talossan Since: 9-21-2006
Knight Since: 10-12-2010
Motto: Cuimhnichibh air na daoine bho'n d'thainig sibh
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Nov 18, 2012 14:25:18 GMT -6
So there are no references to a half ring, and thereby they cannot be used at all? Then what could substitute the ring? Something to help represent my Sami heritage. There are no mention of a half annulet anywhere. I really suggest you look at these two links for guidance on what can and cannot be used: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldrywww.kingdomoftalossa.net/index.cgi?lingo=&page=ArmsBasicAs for your Sami heritage, perhaps something along the design of a reindeer?
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Nov 18, 2012 15:53:06 GMT -6
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