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Post by Audrada Rôibeardét on Jun 26, 2012 17:42:19 GMT -6
You answered a question with a question...again.
If you can get 40 people to want a republic, you'll have successfully blown my mind.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2012 17:45:03 GMT -6
I look forward to blowing your mind.
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jun 26, 2012 17:58:04 GMT -6
The answer is: what if we could persuade 30 or 40 other Talossans of the Republican cause, which we could never do as a separate state? Question from -the-n00b, If, as is intimated in your questioning answer to the previous question, you Reunisioned with the Kingdom for the explicit purpose of persuading 30 or 40 other Talossans of the Republican cause ... would that mean your Oath of Citizenship was fraudulently undertaken? "From this day forward, I pledge my loyalty, allegiance, and pious fidelity to the Kingdom of Talossa, to her sovereign King, and to His Majesty's government. I solemnly affirm that I will support and uphold the Organic Law of the Kingdom of Talossa, defend the realm against all enemies, faithfully observe its laws, respect the rights and freedoms of all my fellow citizens, fulfill all my duties and obligations as a Talossan, and humbly appreciate the benefits granted unto me by my King, most especially when those benefits take the form of Talossan currency." Just curious ... and stuff, MAG-the-n00b
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Post by Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu on Jun 26, 2012 18:14:49 GMT -6
If, as is intimated in your questioning answer to the previous question, you Reunisioned with the Kingdom for the explicit purpose of persuading 30 or 40 other Talossans of the Republican cause ... would that mean your Oath of Citizenship was fraudulently undertaken? Not in the least. At least so far as I am concerned. Without equivocation, prevarication, or trepidation I say that I am a Republican and a Talossan. I voted for an participated in Reunison because the latter is more important, but it does not wipe away the former. I dream of a Republican Talossa one day. And that might be a pipe-dream straight out of "The Ice Man Cometh," but it is still what I dream. I believe it is the healthiest expression of Talossanity, as it does not enshrine a single individual as the hallmark of what it is to be Talossan. It does not predicate my cultural identity on an individual outside myself. I, for one, do not view the monarchy and Talossa as inseparable. That being said, I swore an oath to King and Country, and it is an oath I take seriously. I do not seek to roll out the guillotine (even figuratively), but hope that I may win through in my earnest desires and arguments to the heart of the great man who is our King and persuade him that Republicanism is best for Talossa as a whole. Barring that, I hope to help remodel the Regipats Talossan in the mold of the best from the traditions of the Talossan Republic. I meant it when I took my oath. I take it unkindly if folks question that, as it is just another "more Talossan than thou" type of contest.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2012 18:23:40 GMT -6
Quick, Martì, run back to Wittenberg and breathlessly inform everyone that you've found a nest of oathbreakers and traitors. Then we really will be back in the Good Old Days of Talossa. But certainly if I thought I wouldn't be able to advocate for Republicanism in reunited Talossa I would never have commenced the Reunision progress. If Republicanism isn't acceptable in reunited Talossa, then I for one quit right now. Anyway, here's me taking my oath of citizenship. See if you can spot any subtle clues in this picture:
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jun 26, 2012 18:31:35 GMT -6
If, as is intimated in your questioning answer to the previous question, you Reunisioned with the Kingdom for the explicit purpose of persuading 30 or 40 other Talossans of the Republican cause ... would that mean your Oath of Citizenship was fraudulently undertaken? Not in the least. At least so far as I am concerned. Without equivocation, prevarication, or trepidation I say that I am a Republican and a Talossan. I voted for an participated in Reunison because the latter is more important, but it does not wipe away the former. I dream of a Republican Talossa one day. And that might be a pipe-dream straight out of "The Ice Man Cometh," but it is still what I dream. I believe it is the healthiest expression of Talossanity, as it does not enshrine a single individual as the hallmark of what it is to be Talossan. It does not predicate my cultural identity on an individual outside myself. I, for one, do not view the monarchy and Talossa as inseparable. That being said, I swore an oath to King and Country, and it is an oath I take seriously. I do not seek to roll out the guillotine (even figuratively), but hope that I may win through in my earnest desires and arguments to the heart of the great man who is our King and persuade him that Republicanism is best for Talossa as a whole. Barring that, I hope to help remodel the Regipats Talossan in the mold of the best from the traditions of the Talossan Republic. I meant it when I took my oath. I take it unkindly if folks question that, as it is just another "more Talossan than thou" type of contest. Thank you for the honest and well articulated response. I did not mean to offend or to imply that all (or even a majority of) Reunisioned former Republicans, did not take the oath seriously. I believe I am no more nor any less Talossan than anyone else - be they always-a-Kingdomites, former Kingdomites-then-Republicans-then-Reunisioners, or only-former-Republicans-but-now-Reunisioners. A Talossan is a Talossan is a Talossan. The question was specifically intended for Miestrâ, based on her discussion w/ Dav. MAG *edit for spelling stupidity *edit again - for abusing the Queen's English
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Post by Eiric S. Börnatfiglheu on Jun 26, 2012 18:35:16 GMT -6
The question was specifically intended for Miestrâ, based on her discussion w/ Dav. MAG *edit for spelling stupidity True enough, but keep in mind that Miestra and I share goals, which is why I responded.
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jun 26, 2012 18:37:42 GMT -6
Quick, Martì, run back to Wittenberg and breathlessly inform everyone that you've found a nest of oathbreakers and traitors. Then we really will be back in the Good Old Days of Talossa. But certainly if I thought I wouldn't be able to advocate for Republicanism in reunited Talossa I would never have commenced the Reunision progress. If Republicanism isn't acceptable in reunited Talossa, then I for one quit right now. Anyway, here's me taking my oath of citizenship. See if you can spot any subtle clues in this picture: Miestrâ - if I were literate in written (or spoken) Talossan, I'm certain I'd pick up on any subtle clues. 1. Forgive my intrusion into the Fiôvân board. I stepped in where I'm not supposed to be and apologize. 2. We really have gotten off on the wrong foot and I bear the responsibility for, I believe, a larger than half-share of that. Again, I apologize. Regards, MAG-the-n00b
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
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the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2012 18:50:30 GMT -6
Apology accepted. It appeared that you were accusing me of dishonesty which is something I don't take kindly to. I have never been anything but upfront about the fact that I am still a Talossan Republican, which is why the name of my party is "the Defenders of Talossan Republicanism".
On my hand in that photo is written: My oath is to the Talossan people.
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Post by Martì Prevuost on Jun 26, 2012 19:02:39 GMT -6
Thank you.
I didn't accuse, I asked. There is a difference. And I asked fully expecting an honest answer.
I hope we can get along more amiably. In the future, I'll do my best not to be a shit. MAG
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Post by Audrada Rôibeardét on Jun 26, 2012 19:32:07 GMT -6
@ Mag: I didn't think you were being a shit. I think you were just asking questions.
@ Everybody else: The Republic was wonderful, even when it was falling apart. I don't see a new Republic in the near future but if it happens, it happens. I'm not a Republican anymore nor am I a Royalist. I'm a Talossan and I'm at home in whatever form of Talossa there is.
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Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN
Seneschal
the new Jim Hacker
Posts: 6,635
Talossan Since: 6-25-2004
Dame Since: 9-8-2012
Motto: Expulseascâ, reveneascâ
Baron Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
Duke Since: Feudal titles are for gimps
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Post by Miestrâ Schivâ, UrN on Jun 26, 2012 20:13:39 GMT -6
Good on you, Dav, that's true patriotism. My Talossa, Regipäts or Republic.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 27, 2012 0:00:27 GMT -6
I suspect that Talossa is much more attractive to immigrants as a monarchy, but I am very much opposed to people with some degree of political power who cannot be replaced in an election.
I don't know yet what conclusions I will reach based on this. And MAG: Everyone is welcome here. Trust me.
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Post by Sir Alexandreu Davinescu on Jun 27, 2012 6:21:37 GMT -6
If I can butt in here (sorry): the King can be replaced via the normal amendment process.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 27, 2012 6:30:25 GMT -6
If I can butt in here (sorry): the King can be replaced via the normal amendment process. Yeah. That's what makes us a democracy and not a dictatorship. But it's not the same thing. I want to be able to appoint the new candidate, the hungrier guy or gal, without having to start a long process intended to denigrate the current holder of the office. In a regular election.
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