Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2012 5:42:50 GMT -6
[edit]Oh, I forgot, actually by splitting up I didnt mean creating two provinces out of one, but dividing its territory and citizens among other provinces.
My answers:
Talossa should have 6 provinces.
I want my province (Cézembre) to stay the same.
Pengopäts should not become a province.
I always considered this a difficult issue, cause I think to increase provincial activity, it would be better for Talossa to have fewer provinces. If Talossa was still without provinces, and we decided to make them, I would probably go for 5 or 6.
But at the same time, I understand many citizens of different provinces, consider the culture of their own province as very valuable. For example I completely understand that citizens of Fiôvâ want to have their own province and Im hypocritical enough to want a Talossa with fewer provinces, but am still prepared to fight with my life to keep Cézembre as it is.
So what does everyone think.
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jun 22, 2012 6:51:42 GMT -6
Time to jump headfirst into Talossan politics again!
Here are my votes:
1. Talossa should have five provinces.
2. Pengopäts should not become a province.
3. I am okay with my province (Benito) being split.
Explanations:
1. I think that splitting a country like Talossa, small as it is, into provinces and cantons would make it a logistical nightmare. If Talossa could actually exercise her claim to our land in Milwaukee, you would not want each province or canton to have its own postal code, police jurisdiction, road maintenance, etc. With as many provinces as we already have, we are talking about normal services being for, quite literally, only a handful of streets or neighborhoods. Having five provinces would make more sense: Cézembre, being one, and then four, new provinces in the GTA. Cézembre lets us have an overseas presence in Europe, something I find desirable, and then four new provinces would cut off the fat of our provincial system. Three of these provinces should be given new, Talossan names (I count Fiova as one of these four 'new provinces').
By consolidating provinces, we would be able to increase provincial activity because, simply, more active citizens would be in each province. I also think that citizens should be free to choose whatever province they want to live in, like real life, and should be free to change this decision after a period of time (say, every two years, you can elect to remain in your province or move to a new one). How pissed would you be if your government told you, that you must live in one province for your entire life? Pretty pissed, I’d imagine. By allowing citizens to choose their province and to move between them, provinces would be forced to become active politically and culturally in order to attract citizens. Of course, there would have to be a minimum number of citizens per province, for this to continue working, as the Bestest Super Awesomest Province of Talossa would probably attract the most citizens, and we don’t want a provincial government to overshadow the national one, necessarily.
2. Having a province in Antarctica is not realistic. Any research station based there would have a primitive ‘government’ based on the hierarchical responsibilities of the scientists stationed there. No need to get politics involved on the only continent on Earth fully dedicated to scientific research.
3. I am okay with Benito getting split up and ceasing to exit because I don’t think we should have provinces that pay homage to ex dictators. I remember a few years back, when I and the other citizens of the province Mussolini, changed the name to Benito. I still don’t like it, and I would much rather be in a province that is named after something Talossan rather than a hateful dictator. We have enough strictly Talossan culture and tradition (our language, our actual well known, well respected citizens) to draw province names off of, if we ever chose to downsize and rename the provinces someday.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2012 7:50:45 GMT -6
I agree with most of that, I think.
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Owen Edwards
Puisne Justice
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Post by Owen Edwards on Jun 22, 2012 8:38:57 GMT -6
I still don’t like it, and I would much rather be in a province that is named after something Talossan rather than a hateful dictator. Right now it is named after someone who was both Talossan AND a hateful dictator - win-win! |
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 22, 2012 8:58:31 GMT -6
Me too. And I think province assignment should be strictly based on where we live. If we move to a different catchment area, assignment should change - no exceptions. Moving is moving -- keep the provinces and provincial assignments strictly tied to real geography.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 22, 2012 8:59:06 GMT -6
I'm getting fed up with these meaningless polls, though.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Talossan Since: 5-14-2009
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2012 9:04:56 GMT -6
oh, sorry about that. I thought this might be a way to get some discussion started, but Ill stop creating polls now.
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Post by Ián B. Anglatzarâ on Jun 22, 2012 9:35:06 GMT -6
oh, sorry about that. I thought this might be a way to get some discussion started, but Ill stop creating polls now. Hey, it's only my personal feeling. Nobody died and made me king. |
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EM Vürinalt
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Post by EM Vürinalt on Jun 22, 2012 9:43:50 GMT -6
Right now it is named after someone who was both Talossan AND a hateful dictator - win-win! How unfortunately true. Me too. And I think province assignment should be strictly based on where we live. If we move to a different catchment area, assignment should change - no exceptions. Moving is moving -- keep the provinces and provincial assignments strictly tied to real geography. I agree, but then we need a residency requirement. |
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Post by Iáreþ Rodgarescu on Jun 22, 2012 9:50:51 GMT -6
I enjoy the meaningless polls and the reading the discussion that is the result ...
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 22, 2012 13:48:24 GMT -6
For the moment, I'm okay with the historically grown 8 provinces.
Pengöpäts should not become a province, as it is almost impossible to actually live there. The Pengöpäts claim is making Talossa more fictitious.
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Post by Eðo Grischun on Jun 22, 2012 13:55:58 GMT -6
8 is fine for now. Pengöpäts should not become a province, as it is almost impossible to actually live there. The Pengöpäts claim is making Talossa more fictitious. Never make it a province: agree. Pengopats=Fiction: disagree. (I actually feel/think that Cezembre is what makes things more fictitous. Just my two pints.) |
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Capt. Sir Mick Preston
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Post by Capt. Sir Mick Preston on Jun 22, 2012 14:01:01 GMT -6
If you reduce the number of Provinces, then you have to change how many Senators Talossa has.
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Glüc da Dhi
Secretary of State
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Post by Glüc da Dhi on Jun 22, 2012 14:14:12 GMT -6
Well, that has been done before, right? If there is ever enough support in two bordering provinces for a merger and nationally for a Talossa with 7 provinces, I dont think changing the orglaw again on a few points will be a big problem.
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Post by D. N. Vercáriâ on Jun 22, 2012 14:58:05 GMT -6
8 is fine for now. Pengöpäts should not become a province, as it is almost impossible to actually live there. The Pengöpäts claim is making Talossa more fictitious. Never make it a province: agree. Pengopats=Fiction: disagree. (I actually feel/think that Cezembre is what makes things more fictitous. Just my two pints.) Try to take a look a things with one pint less - tomorrow. TOMORROW, I'd say. ;D |
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